[lit-ideas] Re: Correction and Weight Watchers (1974)
- From: andy amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: May 9, 2004 9:58 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Correction and Weight Watchers (1974)
>I'm sure
> there are homosexuals who don't indulge in the gay lifestyle,
> the ones who much more closely approximate middle America. But
> they're also not the ones wearing the skirts and having all the "fun".
this is your basic, fall-back, counter-argument, isn't it? And it means
that if someone here gives a whole list of gays who don't fit your image,
you'll say "but they aren't what I mean by gays".
A.A. I mean by "gays" those who indulge in the gay lifestyle, as it is
practiced in the gay bars and bathhouses found in gay communities. Whether the
ones sitting at one table like S&M and the ones sitting at another table like
sushi and the guys sitting at yet another table like to sticks forks into each
other is not the issue. We're not talking Invasion of the Body Snatchers, pod
people with built in transmitters who all do the same thing.
Evans: Let me tell you anyway that there are "scene* gays, S/M gays, and other
gays, who just do not fit your image at all. They don't wear skirts. They
don't like being er the subordinate sexual partner. Etc.. And of course
there are many men who cross-dress who are not gay (the man who won our
major Art prize this year is one such).
A.A. Really? All gays don't wear skirts? Well, golly.
>Now the question becomes, why such an
> emphasis on youth and appearance,
Evans: as opposed to the "heterosexual" world?
A.A. Yes. Been to the Wal-Mart nearest you lately? Heteros are fat with beat
up jeans that show their butts when they bend over (the ones who can bend
over). They waddle to their cars with their lava lamps falling out of their
overflowing shopping carts. Gays exercise and take meticulous care of their
appearance. Yes, Judith, very unlike the heterosexual world of middle America.
>Or that it's a coincidence that
> gays are the arbiters of taste and style, i.e., of how things
> look?
really? I hadn't noticed. *Proof*?
A.A. Sorry, not my problem if you hadn't noticed. As far as proof, look in
the dictionary. I think you'll find coincidence means two things that happen
at the same time. Gays have set themselves up as the arbiters of taste and
style, i.e., of appearance, in today's world. Donal, help this woman out, will
ya?
A.A.
Judy Evans
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>
> > A.A. Homosexuals do have things in common, to wit, they like
> drag, they
> wear skirts with no underwear (based on past Gay Days in
> Disneyworld), they
> are very youth and appearance oriented, they are among the
> biggest consumers
> of sex related drugs such as Viagra, much of it bought on the
> internet, and
> so on. This is common knowledge. Now the question becomes, why such an
> emphasis on youth and appearance, why the need for skirts when even women
> wear pants most of the time, and so on.
>
> How bizarre your concepts are.
>
>
> A.A. Beheading the messenger doesn't affect the message. I
> have a feeling you think being gay is like being straight only
> having sex with men instead of with women. It's having sex
> with men, yes, but it's also an entire lifestyle, very removed
> from the straight world, and, like it or not, it revolves
> around youth and appearance. Do you think it's a coincidence
> that Queer Eye for the Straight Guy is about improving the
> *appearance* of straight guys? Or that it's a coincidence that
> gays are the arbiters of taste and style, i.e., of how things
> look? Also, if there was no emphasis on sex, HIV would not have
> first appeared and spread like wildfire in the gay communities.
> HIV reduced gay promiscuity from it's extremes in the 1980's,
> but what a way to reduce it. I think I heard somewhere that HIV
> may also be on the rise again among gays, but I'd have to google
> that to be sure.
>
>
>
> > A.A. Or I'd have to know some serial killers or some drug
> addicts or some
> prostitutes. There are traits groups have in common, including ethnic
> groups, such as Italians or Americans, that are very different from other
> groups and are easily identified. While individuals within any group are
> different, groups tend to be fairly homogeneous in values and
> norms. And,
> unless you believe that things happen without cause, can we
> agree that these
> guys self select for a reason, into this general lifestyle called "gay"
> which chooses to emphasize a lot of sex and appearance for its mainstays.
>
>
> How extradinarily bizarre your concepts are
>
>
> A.A. These are indeed bizarre concepts, but I am reporting
> them, not inventing them. This is simply reality. I'm sure
> there are homosexuals who don't indulge in the gay lifestyle,
> the ones who much more closely approximate middle America. But
> they're also not the ones wearing the skirts and having all the "fun".
>
>
>
> > A.A. Actually, I much prefer the History Channel. Or CNN (for all its
> faults). Or even Judge Judy to get a really close glimpse of the masses.
>
> Ah! How understandable you bizarre concepts are.
>
>
> A.A. The History Channel is among the best that television has
> to offer. Check it out, especially great shows like Modern
> Marvels and others. They're a bit heavy on war, which I usually
> pass on, but since history is a recitation of war there's not
> much they can do about that. CNN is thoroughly okay. For in
> depth coverage I much prefer the internet. I especially like a
> world perspective. I also like NPR. Judge Judy I admit to
> seeing once when I uncharacteristically put the television on
> during the day and flipped through the channels. It was pretty
> low stuff (they had a baby together and now they split up and he
> won't give her back the furniture yadda yadda). I turned it off.
>
> I apologize if your vision of gayness is less than consistent
> with what I'm reporting, but that's the way it is.
>
>
> A.A.
>
>
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