We know. Our media feature these cases prominently. (They do not only occur among Muslims. Heshu Yones' father/murderer is indeed a Kurdish Muslim, but such killings have also been carried out by Sikhs -- and, it is said, Hindus; but -- it is said -- more often, Sikhs.) Though some of the young women are from Eastern Europe or the Middle East, the honour killings are mainly a South East Asian-origin phenomenon. A factual comment.... LH>In 2004, Britain's prosecutor began reinvestigating no fewer LH> than 117 suspicious deaths or disappearances to determine LH>if honor killings had taken place I have a figure of 13 cases to be reviewed by the police (jihadwatch indeed suggested over 100). Here are total murder figues for the UK >>>>>>>>> March 1999 - March 2000 = 760 March 2000 - March 2001 = 792 March 2001 - March 2002 = 891 March 2002 - March 2003 = 1,048 - (876) This includes 172 attributed to Harold Shipman March 2003 - March 2004 = 853 <<<<<<<<<<< Not that I see what this has to do with Bawer/Muslims/welfare benefits Judy Evans, Cardiff