In a message dated 8/5/2004 10:33:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Whereas Mr. Speranza insists (performatively -- hilariously enough), that "Bless you" is a performative utterance, and asks (again, performatively, tee-hee) what warrants such performativity. I, on the other hand, correctly correct him. Balderdash, I suggest. "Bless you" is not a performative, but a petition. It is what I've famously termed an ellipsistical. It means: "May God bless you and have mercy on your rancid soul." ---- According to J. R. Ross (of 'performadox' fame), it could be claimed that there is an element of performativity involved here: "Bless you" Geary's ellipsistical for: "May (Clause 1) God bless you and (Clause 2) God have mercy on your rancid soul This, Geary identifies as a 'petition'. The irony is that 'petition' _is_ a performative, "I petition that..." According to J. R. Ross, then, the underlying form for "Bless you" becomes I (SPEAKER) petition HEARER shall hear that I petition God to bless hearer and God to have mercy on Hearer's runcid soul. The point being: the performativeness has to do with the desire on the part of the speaker that the hearer realises that he (the hearer) has been blessed (by God) but within the context of a petition which is partly hearer-directed. (That's why this is an oral thing (oral communication, and sneezers don't usually get 'blessed' in _letter writing_). Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html