In a message dated 2/7/2005 11:53:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pas@xxxxxxxx writes: "Bleach smells like bleach" ... I think you are going way too deep on this one JL -- but that's what makes this all fun, right? --- Some comments from H. P. Grice, 'Some remarks about the senses', repr. in WOW, Studies in the Way of Words, below. Cheers, JL ---- "Pains are not greatly variegated; except in intensity and location. Smells are." (p. 249). "There is a standard procedure for smelling, namely, inhaling." (p. 249). From F N Sibley, "Tastes and smells", in his collection of essays, -- Sibley was colleague of Grice in Oxford --: "It is true that human beings have limited sensitivity and powers of differentiation for smells compared with, say, dogs." (p. 213). "Nevertheless, ... most people an discriminate and many can be trained to discriminate a very large number of subtly different smells." The question then becomes one for McEvoy: Is "Bleach smells like bleach" -- refutable? Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html