I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I relate to the word hopeless. Power lies in those who can win hearts and minds. History has proven over and over that living by the sword doesn't work, yet both the U.S. and Israel win hearts and minds with bullets. And they do it over and over no matter how much it backfires. Hezbollah is out there handing out money and rebuilding while we're still supporting war lords in Somalia. Or, were supporting war lords in Somalia until al Qaeda came in and won Somalian hearts and minds that were so beneath us and we became irrelevant, while al Qaeda found another foothold. There are signs scattered among the rubble in Lebanon that say, Made in America and The New Middle East. We send arms far better than we send aid or organize rebuilding efforts, including of our own states. That has to be an extension of our hatred for 'socialism', for people in general unless they're very rich. When we first invaded Iraq, the Americans secured the oil plant, but left the water to become contaminated and unavailable. What was the message to the Iraqis? Die, we just need your oil. American priorities didn't go unnoticed by the Iraqis. I don't quite know what the Marshall Plan was founded on. Probably economic reality. We need them to trade with. It's clear we'll continue bumbling along, shooting wildly with our half trillion dollar military, supporting repressive regimes everywhere. Historians will at some point figure out what happened with the short-lived superpower, for a nanosecond hyperpower, called the United States. Maybe they'll say greed isn't so good? Who knows. > [Original Message] > From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/29/2006 3:11:43 AM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Another Bush failure? > > Omar wrote: > >and no, I don't think that a Democrat victory in elections would > >change much. > > ck: I'm hearing "hopeless" from you, towards both the US and Israel, as > nations. What does that mean to you? Approval of jihad with whatever methods > are the most destructive? What? > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > from Omar: > > The US appalling foreign policies are also due to > > deeper structural problems of the American political > > system and even the American society rather than just > > the personality of the current President and no, I > > don't think that a Democrat victory in elections would > > change much. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html