[lit-ideas] Re: Another Bush failure?

OK writes:
"The US appalling foreign policies are also due to
deeper structural problems of the American political
system and even the American society rather than just
the personality of the current President and no, I
don't think that a Democrat victory in elections would
change much. If you want to call me anti-semitic or
anti-American on the grounds of these views I guess
that you are entitled to do so, but I on my part am
entitled to not take your opinions at all seriously."

S.S. responds:
Your naivete about America stuns me.

If the Democrats were to win both chambers of Congress in November and become the majority party, everything would change. If the Democrats had the Presidency in 2000, when 9/11 took place (if it did, which is a question that I seriously doubt), we'd have pursued Osama Bin Ladin into Afghanistan and, focussing on him, would have found him. And while terrorism might have continued sporadically as it has over the past 25 years, it wouldn't have grown the way it has because of our mistaken plunge into the middle east.We'd never have gone into Iraq. All those people -- Iraqi and American -- whose lives were squandered would still be alive and flourishing. All that money -- some $8 billion a month -- spent in support of that war would have been used here in America. Iran wouldn't be a problem now because Saddam Hussein would have functioned to contain their ambitions. We would never have sabotaged all those international treaties we've been part of for the past 60 years. We wouldn't have "the lone ranger" making unilateral decisions, eliminating checks and balances built into our Federal system, curbing civil liberties, doing warrantless searches, ignoring the laws passed by Congress, afflicting the afflicted and comforting the comfortable.

If your understanding of Israel is as knowledgeable as your understanding of America, you have nothing thoughtful to offer any of us but your groundless biases. It's not what you don't know, Omar. It's what you do know, that just ain't so.

Stan Spiegel
Portland, Maine


----- Original Message ----- From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Another Bush failure?




SS writes:
I'll say it for Julie.

*First of all, I suggest that you don't speak for
others. Julie is perfectly capable of expressing her
own opinions.

You're an anti-semite. I won't beat around the
bush.
Your family credentials add a little surprise to the
mix, but your
words
matter more. At every turn you've found a way to make
Israel look bad.
It's
not Sharon or Olmert you've criticized -- as I've
criticized Bush and
the
Republican government -- but Israel. Your views are
not tempered with a
larger perspective that your background and obvious
intelligence would
suggest you have. I'm disappointed that that's the
case. I would like
to
learn from you. It's clear I can't.

*If you think that criticizing Israel amounts to
anti-semitism then probably indeed we haven't got too
much to talk about. Yes, I do believe that Israel's
violent and oppressive policies toward the
Palestinians, the Lebanese, its own non-Jewish
minorities etc. over the years are not due solely to
personal failures of several politicians. People like
Sharon and Olmert were elected for certain reasons,
and they had reasons to formulate the political
programs they did and to act as they did. I think that
an analysis of Zionist ideology and the ways it has
entrenched itself in Israel's political, military, and
religious establishment, as well as in the
organizations promoting Israel's interests abroad, is
what is needed rather than just superficial criticisms
of whoever happens to be the current prime minister.
The US appalling foreign policies are also due to
deeper structural problems of the American political
system and even the American society rather than just
the personality of the current President and no, I
don't think that a Democrat victory in elections would
change much. If you want to call me anti-semitic or
anti-American on the grounds of these views I guess
that you are entitled to do so, but I on my part am
entitled to not take your opinions at all seriously.

O.K.

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