Re: New Image
- From: Jim Brick <jim@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:01:52 -0800
Mark,
You might be interested in this since it is local. I belong to ASMP
which is why I get these notices.
http://asmpnorcal.org/drupal/?q=node/405
And I personally refuse to fall into the interpolation trap. Making
smaller pixels means fewer electrons stored per pixel means less data
for that point. The only way for small pixel sensors to compete with
large pixel sensors is to interpolate (create) the missing data. Some
algorithms are good but it is still not better than having the actual
data from the scene to use. This is why MF digital backs produce such
stellar images. Nine microns per pixel. An enormous amount of image
data per pixel.
:-)
Jim
At 04:18 PM 1/14/2008 -0800, Mark wrote:
Some numbers:
EOS 5D pixel count: 13.3MP
EOS 5D effective pixels: 12.7MP
EOS 5D sensor size: 35.8 x 23.9mm
EOS 5D pixel size: 8.2um (square)
EOS 5D post-processing firmware: DIGIC II
EOS 40D pixel count: 10.5MP
EOS 40D effective pixels: 10.1MP
EOS 40D sensor size: 22.2 x 14.8mm
EOS 40D pixel size: 5.7um (square)
EOS 40D post-processing firmware: DIGIC III
In formal and informal reviews, DIGIC III has shown noise at least
one ISO-stop better than DIGIC II. That is, a DIGIC III camera gives
you the same noise at twice ISO1 as a DIGIC II camera does at ISO1.
That's a significant advantage. Some of that may be due to the 40D's
improved pixel microlens design over older cameras like the 5D.
The 40D offers 14-bits for each R, G and B color channel, versus the
5D's 12 bits. That gives finer color gradation in RAW files, which
give you nice adjustment options in Photoshop CS-3's 16-bit commands.
Going by area, an APS-sized chunk of the 5D's sensor gives you 38.4
% of the total. That comes out to 4.877 effective megapixels, versus
10.1effective MP using all of the 40D's APS-sized sensor.
I used the first EOS 1D several years ago. It had a 4.1MP sensor.
The resolution difference between it and even a 10D's 6MP made me
start using the 10D all the time instead. 4-ish MP just wasn't enough.
The difference between Minox frames and 35mm frames is pretty
extreme. I don't think that's a very good comparison. And 1/2 frame
35mm cameras gave you half the frame of the same piece of film, with
that film's inherent grain and resolution limitations. So that's not
quite a valid comparison either when the smaller sensor has more resolution.
The biggest difference is in DIGIC III's noise reduction versus
DIGIC II. It's like getting a stop of push-processing with no
increase in grain.
So it comes down to horses for courses. If you shoot wildlife and
compose tightly in the finder, the 40D makes sense. If you use wides
a lot, crop your shots, and/or shoot in good light, the 5D makes sense.
Using an APS-sensored camera on a regular basis accustoms you to
'seeing' with one. So you can still have all the habitat around the
animal to choose from. Cropping an APS-sized frame may make picture
resolution suffer, if you don't have enough pixels to start with and
want a 16 X 20 or larger print. An EOS 1Ds Mark III's 21.1 MP may be
the best $olution.
Mark Bohrer
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Some numbers: EOS 5D pixel count: 13.3MP EOS 5D effective pixels: 12.7MP EOS 5D sensor size: 35.8 x 23.9mm EOS 5D pixel size: 8.2um (square) EOS 5D post-processing firmware: DIGIC II EOS 40D pixel count: 10.5MP EOS 40D effective pixels: 10.1MP EOS 40D sensor size: 22.2 x 14.8mm EOS 40D pixel size: 5.7um (square) EOS 40D post-processing firmware: DIGIC IIIIn formal and informal reviews, DIGIC III has shown noise at least one ISO-stop better than DIGIC II. That is, a DIGIC III camera gives you the same noise at twice ISO1 as a DIGIC II camera does at ISO1. That's a significant advantage. Some of that may be due to the 40D's improved pixel microlens design over older cameras like the 5D.
The 40D offers 14-bits for each R, G and B color channel, versus the 5D's 12 bits. That gives finer color gradation in RAW files, which give you nice adjustment options in Photoshop CS-3's 16-bit commands.
Going by area, an APS-sized chunk of the 5D's sensor gives you 38.4 % of the total. That comes out to 4.877 effective megapixels, versus 10.1effective MP using all of the 40D's APS-sized sensor.
I used the first EOS 1D several years ago. It had a 4.1MP sensor. The resolution difference between it and even a 10D's 6MP made me start using the 10D all the time instead. 4-ish MP just wasn't enough.
The difference between Minox frames and 35mm frames is pretty extreme. I don't think that's a very good comparison. And 1/2 frame 35mm cameras gave you half the frame of the same piece of film, with that film's inherent grain and resolution limitations. So that's not quite a valid comparison either when the smaller sensor has more resolution.
The biggest difference is in DIGIC III's noise reduction versus DIGIC II. It's like getting a stop of push-processing with no increase in grain.
So it comes down to horses for courses. If you shoot wildlife and compose tightly in the finder, the 40D makes sense. If you use wides a lot, crop your shots, and/or shoot in good light, the 5D makes sense.
Using an APS-sensored camera on a regular basis accustoms you to 'seeing' with one. So you can still have all the habitat around the animal to choose from. Cropping an APS-sized frame may make picture resolution suffer, if you don't have enough pixels to start with and want a 16 X 20 or larger print. An EOS 1Ds Mark III's 21.1 MP may be the best $olution.
Mark Bohrer
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