[jhb] Re: IVAO Flightplan Aircraft
- From: "bones" <bones@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:09:14 +0100
Tricky one this.
As you were in controlled airspace it could be inferred that responsibility
for that airspace defaults to Centre if no APP controller is logged in. If
this is true then Centre are going to be pretty busy as they would have to
keep an eye on all Class D airspace in their area.
Even so, you would have been clear of EGAC CTR passing over Strangford Lough
and in the open FIR - which he has no right to control - so you could have
just told him "Changing to EGNS_APP on 120.85 good day".
I don't know if he was correct or not - I'll ask next time I plug in. Now,
if he is doing things by the IVAO book then it has repercussions for us
because we will have to check if Centre is active when flying out of CTR's
like Cardiff, Liverpool, Newcastle and the like - and make sure we call
Centre for clearance. Alternatively he may just have been bored and welcomed
some traffic to play with.
bones
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 29 July 2007 17:43
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: IVAO Flightplan Aircraft
Thanks, that confirmed what I thought. I'll explain why I asked after
I've tried something.
Meanwhile, I started up, on IVAO, last night at Belfast City. No
controller there and I put in a VFR flightplan to cover circuitsat below
2000'. To keep out of Aldergrove airspace I set out to fly the circuits
round the South side of the field. There had been a controller at
Aldergrove but he'd logged off.
Whilst flying downwind I was surprised to be contacted by a Scottish
Centre controller, who clearly wanted to control me. It soon became
clear that, with two Irish flyers on the ground at Aldergrove and one en
route, he meant to cover both fields, giving clearances, taxi
instructions etc. I didn't escape his clutches when I landed, filed a
plan for a flight to Ronaldsway, direct at 2000', and started to taxi. I
soon got a message asking me if I was intending to fly again, followed
by taxi instructions, takeoff clearance and departure cover. I only
escaped, this time, by saying I was now 30 miles from IOM and would like
to change frequency to Ronaldsawy, where John was on the throne. Even
then I had to await his decision.
Am I right to be surprised by this Centre involvement, with a VFR flight
like that?
To make it worse, the Irish chaps' transmissions were all crytal clear,
though probably in Swahili, whilst the controller was of the "be
impressed by the speed of my bored delivery" school, with serious breakup.
Gerry Winskill
bones wrote:
>"Am I right in assuming that only the Flightplan data goes to ATC, with
>no information as to whether we've downloaded the IVAO aircraft?"
>
> Yes
>
>"If I pick the code for the APM20, for the flightplan, and that code is
>APM2, does the controller receive just the APM2 code and does he have
>any data on what it implies in terms of performance?"
>
>Controllers should know their codes - they are just part of the huge
>volume of useless data one accrues in practise. Everyone picks up the
>common stuff quickly - a B738, A343, AT72 and C421 are absorbed
>quickly, but we also get to know most of the others from experience so
>if a L188, GL5T, ULAC or PAY3 call us we mostly know what they are. In
>IVAO the codes can be found in IVAO Eye.
>
>Even if we don't know the code the height and speed of an aircraft are
>enough to give a rough idea of its performance band. If we are curious
>we can always ask the aircraft.
>
>bones
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
>Sent: 29 July 2007 08:35
>To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jhb] IVAO Flightplan Aircraft
>
>
>A few questions for Bones. Since he has previous IVAO form and has
>probably read more, he may know the answers, where the rest of us may
>be guessing.
>
>I mentioned, yesterday, that only a small proportion of Flightplan form
>aircraft codes are actually supported by downloadable IVAO aircraft,
>which prompts me to look further into the situation.
>
>Am I right in assuming that only the Flightplan data goes to ATC, with
>no information as to whether we've downloaded the IVAO aircraft?
>
>If I pick the code for the APM20, for the flightplan, and that code is
>APM2, does the controller receive just the APM2 code and does he have
>any data on what it implies in terms of performance?
>
>Other questions follow, depending on the answers.
>
>Gerry Winskill
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