Re: update or new version of jfw?
- From: Jean Menzies <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:46:59 -0600
Can we stop the personal discussion of personal finances?
Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "hank" <hank@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
> thats the problem I don't
> rent is 250 a month then theres half of the internet whitch is 25 a
> month
> and then I got my bills
> like I stated after all is said and done I don't get much after that.
> it sucks thats why I am trying to find work.
> hth
> hank
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark" <mwittig@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>
>
>> good lord hank how do you live on that i spend more on lunches than
>> you
>> get
>> a month
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "hank" <hank@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>
>>
>> tell me what income your on.
>> ssi only gives me 564
>> and read my posting from earlier I posted the price fs wants jaws for
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James" <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>
>>
>>> Woo. I'm getting $700 a month, and JFW standard with SMA included is
>>> roughly $700. So, thank the gods for creditcards.
>>> James
>>>
>>> At 11:28 AM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>>>> JAWS 9X - JAWS 5 Standard for 9x/Me/XP Home $895.00
>>>>and what income you getting?
>>>>mines only 564 and after rent and bills and stuff and the usual I
>>>>get
>>>>about
>>>>100 dollars or 150 or so a month.
>>>>and as I also stated I was luck enuph that the agency helped helped
>>>>with
>>>>me.
>>>>take care
>>>>hank
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "James" <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:16 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > $900? Where do you buy from? Mine cost 6. And yes, I'm on a fixed
>>>> > income
>>>> > and can afford it.
>>>> > James
>>>> >
>>>> > At 11:13 AM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
>>>> >>if fs lowered the price would more customers purchase it?
>>>> >>just curious
>>>> >>people on a fix income and the average blind person can't get
>>>> >>jaws and
>>>> >>when
>>>> >>the blind agencies won't get them for the blind person then there
>>>> >>screwed.
>>>> >>I am lucky mine helped me but I no firneds who were not so lucky.
>>>> >>the 900 bucks is personally a out ragious price small market or
>>>> >>not.
>>>> >>just my 2 cents.
>>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >>Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:35 AM
>>>> >>Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Jim and all,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Three things.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 1> there's no reason the bugs as they usually are cannot be
>>>> >> > fixed
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > new
>>>> >> > release along with adding some new features.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 2> you said there used to be a company. Why do you think it
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > gone?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 3> You talk about adding support, but where is the money
>>>> >> > going to
>>>> >> > come
>>>> >> > from
>>>> >> > to do this? I'm not saying you are rong or that we should not
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > better
>>>> >> > product, but the money to do the things you suggest needs to
>>>> >> > be
>>>> >> > there
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > by
>>>> >> > and large in today's at market, it is not there. We need
>>>> >> > support
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > instance to a much wider array of tools than we have, but
>>>> >> > there is
>>>> >> > only
>>>> >> > support for applications for which there is money provided.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> > From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:18 AM
>>>> >> > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hi, well you can have working and fast. There was a company
>>>> >> > that I
>>>> >> > will =
>>>> >> > not
>>>> >> > name here that did just that. Yes there were bugs but the
>>>> >> > bugs got
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > fixed
>>>> >> > quick. New features came along all the time and new releaces
>>>> >> > happened
>>>> >> > offten fixing bubug that came up and adding features when
>>>> >> > needed.
>>>> >> > As =
>>>> >> > you
>>>> >> > said quite a lot of the time new bugs were interduced but we
>>>> >> > already
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > that problem as it is. For example there were no problems
>>>> >> > with the
>>>> >> > type =
>>>> >> > key
>>>> >> > function in jaws 5.0 there is now. Lots of bugs were fixed.
>>>> >> > But
>>>> >> > if
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > lot
>>>> >> > of these new features and bugs were realeced to the user as
>>>> >> > they
>>>> >> > were =
>>>> >> > coded
>>>> >> > they would have been reported faster and fewer changes would
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > been
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > maid
>>>> >> > in the mean time. As for jaws 6.0 we are not ready for a
>>>> >> > major
>>>> >> > upgraid
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > yet.
>>>> >> > To many things need to be done and fixed so updates to the
>>>> >> > program
>>>> >> > about =
>>>> >> > 5
>>>> >> > or six I would think need to come out in the mean time
>>>> >> > corecting =
>>>> >> > problems.
>>>> >> > If you ask me 6 should come out about the time ms releces the
>>>> >> > next
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > version
>>>> >> > of windows. It should come out on the same day as that
>>>> >> > version and
>>>> >> > they
>>>> >> > should be able to anounce support for that version. In the
>>>> >> > mean
>>>> >> > time =
>>>> >> > they
>>>> >> > should be working on delivering the things they said they were
>>>> >> > going
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > deliver and fix what needs fixing. Also some one needs to get
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > this
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > list
>>>> >> > and all the other lists for jaws and start reading the mail
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > comes
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > in so
>>>> >> > that they can aid the users and add the remarks to the data
>>>> >> > base.
>>>> >> > This
>>>> >> > company I will not name here did just that and I my self saw
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > things
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > brought to the list being fixed and a lot of my own ideas went
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > program. Why? Because they heard there users. We as users
>>>> >> > need to
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > start
>>>> >> > making noise we need to tell them that we want to be heard.
>>>> >> > We
>>>> >> > need
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > tell
>>>> >> > them that we will shell out our money but we want fast and
>>>> >> > good
>>>> >> > servus
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > more
>>>> >> > bank for our buck. We want a tol free number for support.
>>>> >> > The
>>>> >> > other
>>>> >> > company I speak of had it. We want more updates with more
>>>> >> > things
>>>> >> > fixed. =
>>>> >> > One
>>>> >> > every lets say 6 weeks. Even it if is a new script added on
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > jfw
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > lite
>>>> >> > web sight is tested by a tech and is desided it works well to
>>>> >> > provide =
>>>> >> > access
>>>> >> > to a program then it should be a part of jaws. There should
>>>> >> > be a
>>>> >> > page
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > the fs web sight for users to add there scripts for
>>>> >> > evaluation. If
>>>> >> > they
>>>> >> > provide access to a program at all they should be included
>>>> >> > with
>>>> >> > jaws.
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > Now I
>>>> >> > know what you are going to say then they are going to have to
>>>> >> > support =
>>>> >> > said
>>>> >> > scripts. Yep that is right. So some one had better be
>>>> >> > looking at
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > thoughs
>>>> >> > scripts very cairfully. Or if they do not wish to support
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > script
>>>> >> > because they did not write it then an email address to the
>>>> >> > person
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > did
>>>> >> > write it should be provided. Every support list for jaws every
>>>> >> > one
>>>> >> > of =
>>>> >> > them
>>>> >> > should be listed on the fs web sight. And articals from this
>>>> >> > list
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > answer users questions should be added to the support bass.
>>>> >> > Now as
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > autherasation copy protection is a bad idea always has been
>>>> >> > always
>>>> >> > will
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > be.
>>>> >> > The begest problem I have with jaws is copy protection. I in
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > course =
>>>> >> > of
>>>> >> > using my pc have lost keys have had them damaged all kinds of
>>>> >> > things
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > open
>>>> >> > book uses a key number system window eyes does conect out loud
>>>> >> > does
>>>> >> > jaws
>>>> >> > should also. I do not like wpa I am sure I am not going to
>>>> >> > like
>>>> >> > this =
>>>> >> > new
>>>> >> > internet key system. As you can see we would be living the
>>>> >> > best
>>>> >> > of
>>>> >> > all
>>>> >> > worlds here we would have fast access using the free sorce
>>>> >> > system
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > scripts updated as needed by fs. We would have the bugs fixed
>>>> >> > in a
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > timely
>>>> >> > manor. We would have the support we deserv. We would have a
>>>> >> > voice
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > creation of the program we use every day. David p. makes a
>>>> >> > good
>>>> >> > point
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > when
>>>> >> > he says that jaws for now is a head of the rest. It is. How
>>>> >> > long
>>>> >> > can
>>>> >> > it
>>>> >> > stay there with out the voice of the user. Remember windows it
>>>> >> > self
>>>> >> > has
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > this
>>>> >> > problem ms is not hearing the user. And this is why linix
>>>> >> > bassed
>>>> >> > systems =
>>>> >> > are
>>>> >> > becoming more and more the rage. I want to be heard I want my
>>>> >> > voice
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > count I am sure you do also. If it is not soon fs is going to
>>>> >> > find
>>>> >> > that =
>>>> >> > it
>>>> >> > is no longer ahead. Of course everyone but mean seems to be
>>>> >> > happy
>>>> >> > with
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > status quo here.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > Behalf
>>>> >> > Of James
>>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:20 PM
>>>> >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > You can't fix what you don't know is wrong. As I said in
>>>> >> > another
>>>> >> > email
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > just=20
>>>> >> > posted, it may take until the next version to find a bug. IF
>>>> >> > they =
>>>> >> > followed=20
>>>> >> > your advice, we'd have a supremely buggy version of JFW 6.0
>>>> >> > with a
>>>> >> > less=20
>>>> >> > than stable internet authorization, working anything but
>>>> >> > reliably
>>>> >> > with=20
>>>> >> > remote access, and freezing or just plain not cooperating on
>>>> >> > some
>>>> >> > of
>>>> >> > the =
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > more advanced java-based websites. Then you'll be complaining
>>>> >> > because=20
>>>> >> > they're pushing things out to quickly, and not taking time to
>>>> >> > make
>>>> >> > sure=20
>>>> >> > things work before they're released. Then, you'll be looking
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > another =
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > screenreader, because this one's just plain unreliable. I say
>>>> >> > again,
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > take=20
>>>> >> > your pick. You can't have working, and fast.
>>>> >> > James,
>>>> >> > List Admin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > At 11:08 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
>>>> >> >>Here here right now is what I say and as for your remark about
>>>> >> >>talking=20
>>>> >> >>=3D about it here if we talk about it here maybe some of us
>>>> >> >>note I
>>>> >> >>have
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>already =3D done
>>>> >> >>so will speak to fs regularly and voice the fact that we want
>>>> >> >>it
>>>> >> >>right
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > =3D
>>>> >> >>now
>>>> >> >>and maybe more betas will get posted and maybe updates will
>>>> >> >>happen
>>>> >> >>more
>>>> >> >>often. =3D20
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >>From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >>[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> >> >>=3D
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>Behalf Of James
>>>> >> >>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:40 PM
>>>> >> >>To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >>Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>But, since this isn't a Freedom Scientific list, debating
>>>> >> >>about
>>>> >> >>it=20
>>>> >> >>here=3D20 won't do much except make everyone angrier at the
>>>> >> >>situation.=20
>>>> >> >>Truth is,=3D20 they're doing what they can with what they
>>>> >> >>have.
>>>> >> >>Every =
>>>> >> > new=20
>>>> >> >>version that=3D20 comes out has something new that some want,
>>>> >> >>and =
>>>> >> > leaves=20
>>>> >> >>some others =3D wanting=3D20 something else. People wanted to
>>>> >> >>be
>>>> >> >>able =
>>>> >> > to=20
>>>> >> >>use JFW without an external=3D20 synthasizer, or for that
>>>> >> >>matter, =
>>>> >> > without=20
>>>> >> >>any additional synthasizing=3D20 hardware, period. They
>>>> >> >>finally got
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > that=20
>>>> >> >>in version 3.0. Then FS needed =3D to=3D20
>>>> >> >>make it work with Windows Millennium. Most of that was done by
>>>> >> >>3.5,
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > the=3D20
>>>> >> >>rest by 4.0. The demand presented itself for Windows XP. 4.02
>>>> >> >>covered =
>>>> >> > =3D
>>>> >> >>that.=3D20
>>>> >> >>The demand presented itself to work with some of today's more
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > advanced=3D20
>>>> >> >>website technology, which prompted 4.5. 4.51 was released when
>>>> >> >>some
>>>> >> >>=3D
>>>> >> >>parts=3D20
>>>> >> >>of tat technology were upgraded slightly, including MSN
>>>> >> >>Messenger.
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > And=3D20
>>>> >> >>that's just a small example.
>>>> >> >>The absolute truth? If FS waited to release all of these
>>>> >> >>features
>>>> >> >>in
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > one =3D
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>major version, we'd still be sitting on version 4.0 waiting
>>>> >> >>for
>>>> >> >>things=20
>>>> >> >>=3D like=3D20 increased functionality with Windows XP. We have
>>>> >> >>to
>>>> >> >>keep
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > up=20
>>>> >> >>as best we =3D can=3D20
>>>> >> >>with the mainstream market, because that's what this and other
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > products=3D20
>>>> >> >>deal with. Unfortunately, if you keep up, you don't do it
>>>> >> >>right and
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > you=3D20
>>>> >> >>have problems. IF you don't keep up, you do it right and you
>>>> >> >>have
>>>> >> >>=3D
>>>> >> >>different=3D20
>>>> >> >>problems. Window Eyes is a perfect example of this. Sure, they
>>>> >> >>already
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > =3D
>>>> >> >>have=3D20
>>>> >> >>remote access integrated into their software. But, is it done
>>>> >> >>right?
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > Not =3D
>>>> >> >>if=3D20
>>>> >> >>you go by some of the comments made on this list. Could it be
>>>> >> >>done
>>>> >> >>=3D
>>>> >> >>better?=3D20
>>>> >> >>Most definitely. But, again, users of Window Eyes would be
>>>> >> >>waiting
>>>> >> >>for
>>>> >> >>=
>>>> >> > =3D
>>>> >> >>it,=3D20
>>>> >> >>just like users of JFW are. The real question is, which would
>>>> >> >>you
>>>> >> >>=3D
>>>> >> >>prefer?=3D20
>>>> >> >>Right, or right now?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>James,
>>>> >> >>List Admin
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>At 09:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
>>>> >> >> >But for someone else's money, get it right first. Whose
>>>> >> >> >money
>>>> >> >> >is=20
>>>> >> >> >worth=3D20 more?
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Bruce
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >--
>>>> >> >> >Bruce Toews
>>>> >> >> >E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >> >Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):=3D20=20
>>>> >> >> >http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere
>>>> >> >> >visit=3D20=20
>>>> >> >> >http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, jim grimsby wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > > Well for my money get it out get it out fast and fix bugs
>>>> >> >> > > as=20
>>>> >> >> > > they=3D20 come =3D3D up please and thank you!
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >> > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
>>>> >> >> > > On=3D20 =3D3D Behalf Of Bruce Toews
>>>> >> >> > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:20 PM
>>>> >> >> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >> > > Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > The reality is that FS is caught between a rock and a
>>>> >> >> > > hard
>>>> >> >> > > place=20
>>>> >> >> > > in=3D20 =3D3D terms=3D3D20 of PR when it comes to release
>>>> >> >> > > dates. =
>>>> >> > Release=20
>>>> >> >> > > a =3D
>>>> >> >>product=3D20
>>>> >> >> > > too soon, and =3D3D it's=3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > > bug-ridden, and everyone whines about how they should
>>>> >> >> > > have
>>>> >> >> > > wated.=20
>>>> >> >> > > =3D
>>>> >> >>Wait =3D3D
>>>> >> >> > > and=3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > > try to deal with bugs, and everyone whines about how the
>>>> >> >> > > other
>>>> >> >> > > guy
>>>> >> >> > > =
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> > > =3D
>>>> >> >>got =3D3D
>>>> >> >> > > it=3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > > out sooner, why can't they? There's no winning.
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > Bruce
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > --=3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > > Bruce Toews
>>>> >> >> > > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >> > > Web
>>>> >> >> > > Site=20
>>>> >> >> > > (including info on my weekly commentaries):=3D20 =
>>>> >> > http://www.ogts.net=20
>>>> >> >> > > =3D3D For the best oldies anywhere visit=3D20=20
>>>> >> >> > > http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Chip Orange wrote:
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >> Well, being a software developer myself, I know that
>>>> >> >> > >> release=20
>>>> >> >> > >> dates=3D20 are =3D3D
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >> always a tug of war between when you want it ready and
>>>> >> >> > >> when =
>>>> >> > it=3D20=20
>>>> >> >> > >> is=3D3D20 really ready. Different companies have
>>>> >> >> > >> differing=20
>>>> >> >> > >> policies =3D
>>>> >> >>as=3D20
>>>> >> >> > >> to=3D3D20 exactly which wins in the struggle.
>>>> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> > >> =3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >> Chip
>>>> >> >> > >>
>>>> >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >> > >>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20=3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =3D3D
>>>> >> >> > >
>>>> >> >> > >>> On Behalf Of hank
>>>> >> >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:06 PM
>>>> >> >> > >>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >> > >>> =3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> interesting they told me they didn't have a release
>>>> >> >> > >>> date.
>>>> >> >> > >>> funky
>>>> >> >> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> >> > >>> From: "Troy Burnham" <tburnham@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> > >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:30 AM
>>>> >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>> >> >> > >>> =3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> =3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>>> A friend of mine called FS the other day and was told
>>>> >> >> > >>>> that
>>>> >> >> > >>>> =3D
>>>> >> >>a=3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> new version,
>>>> >> >> > >>>> probably 6.0, will be out around the end of the year
>>>> >> >> > >>>> I=3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> think it was. I
>>>> >> >> > >>>> don't know what will be in it though or if that is
>>>> >> >> > >>>> even=3D20=20
>>>> >> >> > >>>> accurate.=3D3D20 Troy
>>>> >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> >> > >>>>
>>>> >> >> > >>>> On Thursday 10/21/2004 01:17 PM, Jarrod Jicha said:
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> does anyone know or has anyone heard anything
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> about=20
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> when=3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> either an update,
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> or a new version of jfw is coming out? was just =3D
>>>> >> >>wondering,=3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> also, does
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> anyone either know, or have they heard what will be
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> in =3D
>>>> >> >>the=3D3D3D20
>>>> >> >> > >>> new version?
>>>> >> >> > >>>>> --
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>>>> >> > To=3D20=20
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>>>> >> >>
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>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>> >> > the
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>>>> >> > or =
>>>> >> > the
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>>>> >> > Rather
>>>> >> > contact
>>>> >> > =
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
>>>> >> > Rather
>>>> >> > contact
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>>> >> > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
>>>> >> > subject
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>>>> >> > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > list,
>>>> >> > or
>>>> >> > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
>>>> >> > Rather
>>>> >> > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >>
>>>> >>--
>>>> >>To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>>> >>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
>>>> >>subject
>>>> >>line.
>>>> >>Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>>> >>
>>>> >>If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
>>>> >>list,
>>>> >>or
>>>> >>the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
>>>> >>Rather
>>>> >>contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>>> > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
>>>> > subject
>>>> > line.
>>>> > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>>> >
>>>> > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
>>>> > list,
>>>> > or
>>>> > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
>>>> > Rather
>>>> > contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>>>jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
>>>>line.
>>>>Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>>>
>>>>If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
>>>>list, or
>>>>the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>>>>contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
>>> line.
>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>>
>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
>>> list, or
>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> --
>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
>> line.
>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>
>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list,
>> or
>> the
>> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>> contact
>> the
>> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> --
>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
>> line.
>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>>
>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list,
>> or
>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> --
> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
> line.
> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
>
> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list,
> or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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