Re: update or new version of jfw?
- From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:11:29 -0400
Speaking of window eyes, Their next major release will focus on
enhancements to complex word document processing. Jaws has had
capabilities along those likes for some time now annd it is getting
better. I am not totally happy with jaws, but every time I poke my
head up and look around, I see the others still struggling to match it.
I am not kidding myself either. Can we do better? Yes. Is there is
enough user focus? Most likely not but companies have businesses to
run and they have to do business if they want to stay in business so we
can enjoy the fruits of our and their labors. I'll end here but wanted
this to be studied. I'm happy to deal with software and not the
business of making software.
Johnnie AppleSeed
On 21 Oct 2004, at 21:40, James wrote:
> But, since this isn't a Freedom Scientific list, debating about it here
> won't do much except make everyone angrier at the situation. Truth is,
> they're doing what they can with what they have. Every new version that
> comes out has something new that some want, and leaves some others
> wanting
> something else. People wanted to be able to use JFW without an external
> synthasizer, or for that matter, without any additional synthasizing
> hardware, period. They finally got that in version 3.0. Then FS needed
> to
> make it work with Windows Millennium. Most of that was done by 3.5, the
> rest by 4.0. The demand presented itself for Windows XP. 4.02 covered
> that.
> The demand presented itself to work with some of today's more advanced
> website technology, which prompted 4.5. 4.51 was released when some
> parts
> of tat technology were upgraded slightly, including MSN Messenger. And
> that's just a small example.
> The absolute truth? If FS waited to release all of these features in
> one
> major version, we'd still be sitting on version 4.0 waiting for things
> like
> increased functionality with Windows XP. We have to keep up as best we
> can
> with the mainstream market, because that's what this and other products
> deal with. Unfortunately, if you keep up, you don't do it right and you
> have problems. IF you don't keep up, you do it right and you have
> different
> problems. Window Eyes is a perfect example of this. Sure, they already
> have
> remote access integrated into their software. But, is it done right?
> Not if
> you go by some of the comments made on this list. Could it be done
> better?
> Most definitely. But, again, users of Window Eyes would be waiting for
> it,
> just like users of JFW are. The real question is, which would you
> prefer?
> Right, or right now?
>
> James,
> List Admin
>
> At 09:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
>> But for someone else's money, get it right first. Whose money is worth
>> more?
>>
>> Bruce
>>
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>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, jim grimsby wrote:
>>
>>> Well for my money get it out get it out fast and fix bugs as they
>>> come =
>>> up
>>> please and thank you!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Bruce Toews
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:20 PM
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: update or new version of jfw?
>>>
>>>
>>> The reality is that FS is caught between a rock and a hard place in =
>>> terms=20
>>> of PR when it comes to release dates. Release a product too soon,
>>> and =
>>> it's=20
>>> bug-ridden, and everyone whines about how they should have wated.
>>> Wait =
>>> and=20
>>> try to deal with bugs, and everyone whines about how the other guy
>>> got =
>>> it=20
>>> out sooner, why can't they? There's no winning.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> --=20
>>> Bruce Toews
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>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Chip Orange wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, being a software developer myself, I know that release dates
>>>> are =
>>>
>>>> always a tug of war between when you want it ready and when it is=20
>>>> really ready. Different companies have differing policies as to=20
>>>> exactly which wins in the struggle.
>>>>
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Chip
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
>>>>> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =
>>>
>>>>> On Behalf Of hank
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:06 PM
>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> interesting they told me they didn't have a release date. funky
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Troy Burnham" <tburnham@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: update or new version of jfw?
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> A friend of mine called FS the other day and was told that a=3D20
>>>>> new version,
>>>>>> probably 6.0, will be out around the end of the year I=3D20
>>>>> think it was. I
>>>>>> don't know what will be in it though or if that is even
>>>>>> accurate.=20
>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday 10/21/2004 01:17 PM, Jarrod Jicha said:
>>>>>>> does anyone know or has anyone heard anything about when=3D20
>>>>> either an update,
>>>>>>> or a new version of jfw is coming out? was just wondering,=3D20
>>>>> also, does
>>>>>>> anyone either know, or have they heard what will be in the=3D20
>>>>> new version?
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