James, could you maybe put an end to this thread? I'm personally getting
quiet frustrated with the complaints, and I'm just as frustrated with the
complaints about the complaints and the high-fivers to the complainers
about the complaints. If our objective is to get this list taken
seriously, neither of these three groups is helping. Is the rule about "me
too" messages still in place?
Bruce
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, Keith Gillard wrote:
Hi Chris,
You are so right man! sometimes I get really annoyed with some individuals on this list who seem to just use it as a form of entertainment because they have nothing better to do. They ramble on & on && on about a feature without really checking into it. Oh well, I guess it's the bear we all have to cross LOL...Keith
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: New Features for JFW 7.0 Posted
I couldn't agree more! I'd like for this list to be taken seriously again. But that's not gonna happen until people actually take the time to learn and educate themselves about JAWS a little more. Sure there's a whole bunch of stuff I don't know, I'm no expert especially when it comes to scripting. But I do take the time to listen to the training materials and read the help topics when i don't know how a feature works. and if I'm still a bit stuck that's when the list comes in. The list should be something you use when you've tried a lot of things but it just isn't clicking, or if you just have no idea about something and just need a bit of guidance.
At 10:33 PM 9/24/2005, you wrote:
> Maybe, if more individuals took the time and made the effort to learn
> their screen-reader, there would definitely be less complaining.
> > As a result, One of the main benefits might be that Freedom Scientific
> may once again take this list more seriously and make a point of
> posting developments and news, directly to this list, instead of us
> getting the information second, third or even fourth hand.
> > A further benefit might be that some of the employees from Freedom
> scientific would consider re-joining the list, with the result that
> we, as users of JAWS for windows, would all benefit from their
> experience, knowledge and expertise. I am certain, there is no one on
> this list who would turn up their noses at that, now would they!
> > Sincerely:
> > Dave Durber
> > On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:00:49 -0400, you wrote:
> > > Here, here!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Features for JFW 7.0 Posted
> > > > > > > Well these new features can all be turned off. I didn't like the
> > > announcement of progress bars in internet explorer. So, did I > > > complain
> > > about it? Nope! I figured out how to turn it off, and I did. No > > > more
> > > problems. If people wold only learn how to better manage their
> > > screenreader and take control of it we wouldn't have all this > > > complaining.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:38 PM 9/24/2005, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Rose and list:
> > > > > > > > No I don't object because I don't think I have to use it if I don't > > > > want
> > > > to.
> > > > > > > > What I am disappointed in, however, is the changing of commands in > > > > order
> > > > to avoid conflict with Firefox. I don't like new features > > > > defaulting
> to on
> > > > because the assumption is clear that everyone would want them. Now > > > > I
> > > > realise that they are just following a common practice in this > > > > regard.
> But
> > > > that doesn't make it right.
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > Dave
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