Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:37:26 -0800
Dave,
You wrote: "....good one, is how FS, would price and package the various
versions of JAWS.
There are those of us who only use Speech, those who only use Braille,
those..."
Yes, as a first cut, simply take the current price for speech + Braille an
sell each module at half the price. Since the magnification product is
already separate, then keep that pricing the same.
So if you want speech and Braille, you still pay what you do today.
Seems simple to me, but don't know if FS ever seriously considered the
suggestion.
Dave Carlson
Created in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 08:31
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
Dave:
JAWS, like many software programs, is like a camel that has too many humps
and, with each succeeding version, is gaining more and more. Eventually,
the camel will no longer be able to stand because, it is being forced to the
ground, under the weight of so many humps.
A major problem I can see happening with your suggestion, although it is a
good one, is how FS, would price and package the various versions of JAWS.
There are those of us who only use Speech, those who only use Braille, those
who only use magnification and, there are those of us who use a combination
of speech, Braille and magnification.
And, if they were to get their heads around those problems, I do not see the
quality and control getting any better, unless they had dedicated teams of
programmers for each version of JAWS. And, I can not see that happening any
time soon, not even in a month of Sundays! Can, you!
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> Alan,
>
> Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and the fact
> that you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on that old
> Gateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping a
simple
> unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness. Don't let that
> computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too. I found
> several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out of the
> oven too soon.
>
> I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS, with all
> the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my opinion is
> worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for it, and
> therefore worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion.
>
> I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three basic
> products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for
Braille,
> and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive is
> optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a cure-all for
> all ailments.
>
> Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module to allow
> dual capability.
>
> And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a suggestion
> that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another opinion worth
> every penny.
>
> Alan, thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up onto.
>
> Dave
> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38
> Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
>
> Dear Dorothy, and List Members,
> I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a cave
man,
> and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 1999,
which
> runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but I also
> have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open Book 7.02.
>
> The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten better
for
> Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, they have
> gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old computer's
> configuration for 11 years.
>
> Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12,
Windows
> 7?
>
> Not I!!
> LOL!
>
> With Best Regards,
> Alan
> Miami, Florida
> Alan Dicey, President
> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
>
>
> > it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as well I
> > cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I will find
> > it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a bit
> > stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell computers,
> > having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when engineer
> > came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had to pay
a
> > local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell made big
> > profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is sinking,
I
> > have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and a
prior
> > viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me and I
> > will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were making
a
> > mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows 98, must
> > have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his pc
custom
> > made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current dell
desktop
> > sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was thinking
> > like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song was sung
> > about Chevrolet57----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
> > Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >
> >
> >> Hello Dave,
> >> I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I thought
> >> the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when I met
> >> Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing JAWS.
> >> It had not been released yet!
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> With Best Regards,
> >> Alan
> >> Miami, Florida
> >> Alan Dicey, President
> >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
> >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>
> >>
> >>> Alan,
> >>>
> >>> What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me why you
> >>> posted
> >>> this reply.
> >>>
> >>> Fill me in.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
> >>> Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Friends,
> >>> Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind
Computer
> >>> Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
> >>> He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading software.
> >>>
> >>> I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I think many
> >>> of
> >>> the nearly 30 attendents did
> >>>
> >>> I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers
stand
> >>> and
> >>> started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up
against
> >>> Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giant
> >>> corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen reading
> >>> software programs as they cared to".
> >>>
> >>> I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
> >>> I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman.
> >>> I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!
> >>>
> >>> With Best Regards,
> >>> Alan
> >>> Miami, Florida
> >>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
> >>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: new on the list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Bob!
> >>>>
> >>>> Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are you
> >>>> currently
> >>>> using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have
> >>>> noticed
> >>>> some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
> >>>> California
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
> >>>> Subject: new on the list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the 1980tys...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Mathews
> >>>> Bob Mathews Consulting
> >>>> 866 6343773
> >>>> bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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