RE: JAWS getting better or worse!

Hi Dave,

I just installed JAWS 12 and I am experiencing the same problem that I had
with JAWS 11.  I called Freedom Scientific and they escalated this issue.

I then reinstalled JAWS 10.

Thanks,

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of David
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:01 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

hello Alan;

what problems are you experiencing with jaws11 vista and MSOutlook.
and which version of Outlook.

I have a laptop here running vista,

jaws11 jaws12 and I'm able to use MSOutlook 2007.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Safier" <a.safier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Alan Safier'" <a.safier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!


> Hello all,
>
> I am running Vista, Office 203 on a relatively new HP Laptop.
>
> When I installed JAWS 11, Outlook had some serious problems that I worked 
> on
> with FS.  No Luck.  I went back to JAWS 10 and my system works fine.  I
> hesitate to try JAWS 12.
> I believe software should work with the basic OS and Office before they 
> try
> to support other software.
>
> Alan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:39 AM
> To: org, jfw@freelists.
> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
> did they explain to you about video interceptors or what dcm means every
> time I think I understand it, I realise I am wrong, also, are colours all
> called hexadecimals? thanks dorothy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Arnowitt" <MA@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
>
>> Alan,
>>
>> If your definition of better is doesn't crash, doesn't lose focus, and
>> those sorts of things, I could believe what you say that things are
>> getting worse, although I don't go further back than Jaws 9.
>>
>> Obviously, though, how a program works with different software and
>> websites is also pretty important to people, whether in the workforce or
>> no. One of my criticisms of current Jaws would probably be that I wish it
>> worked with a greater variety of programs, but the Jaws of 10 years ago
>> would work with fewer still of what's available today.
>>
>> I wasn't a great math student back in school but vaguely remember
>> something that a system can either be comprehensive or perfectly
>> consistent but not both.
>>
>> The person in my town who got me started on Jaws said "don't expect it to
>> be perfect." That's pretty good advice.
>>
>> Personally, I have never had any major problems with stability in any 
>> Jaws
>> version. It seems to vary so much from user to user. Once in a while I
>> have to restart, or wait a little, or alt tab a bit. But as long as it
>> works 99+% of the time, which it does, I'm willing to put up with these
>> occasional imperfections. If I had the experiences that some report of
>> daily crashes, which I don't, I'd probably have a different opinion.
>>
>> I'm a little surprised we as Jaws users still have problems opening
>> certain types of web links and get stymied by certain other web
>> navigational problems. If I were FS I would give the highest priority to
>> making sure we are on a par with the mouse users on all things web as 
>> that
>> is so obviously the trend.
>>
>> Michael, who is mostly a Luddite
>>
>>
>>>Alan wrote:
>>>I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a cave
>>>man, and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 
>>>1999,
>>>which runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but
>>>I also have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open 
>>>Book
>>>7.02.
>>>
>>>The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten better
>>>for Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, they
>>>have gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old
>>>computer's configuration for 11 years.
>>>
>>>Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12,
>>>Windows 7?
>>>
>>>Not I!!
>>>LOL!
>>>
>>>With Best Regards,
>>>Alan
>>>Miami, Florida
>>>Alan Dicey, President
>>>United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban"
>>><Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>
>>>
>>>>it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as well I
>>>>cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I will find
>>>>it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a bit
>>>>stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell computers,
>>>>having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when engineer
>>>>came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had to pay 
>>>>a
>>>>local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell made big
>>>>profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is sinking,
>>>>I have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and a
>>>>prior viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me
>>>>and I will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were
>>>>making a mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows
>>>>98, must have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his
>>>>pc custom made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current
>>>>dell desktop sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I
>>>>was thinking like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a
>>>>song was sung about Chevrolet57----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan
>>>>Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
>>>>Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello Dave,
>>>>>I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I thought
>>>>>the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when I met
>>>>>Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing JAWS.
>>>>>It had not been released yet!
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>>With Best Regards,
>>>>>Alan
>>>>>Miami, Florida
>>>>>Alan Dicey, President
>>>>>United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>>"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>>>United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>>http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson"
>>>>><dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Alan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me why you
>>>>>>posted
>>>>>>this reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fill me in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
>>>>>>California
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
>>>>>>Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Friends,
>>>>>>Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind
>>>>>>Computer
>>>>>>Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
>>>>>>He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I think many
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>the nearly 30 attendents did
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers
>>>>>>stand and
>>>>>>started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up 
>>>>>>against
>>>>>>Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giant
>>>>>>corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen reading
>>>>>>software programs as they cared to".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
>>>>>>I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman.
>>>>>>I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With Best Regards,
>>>>>>Alan
>>>>>>Miami, Florida
>>>>>>Alan Dicey, President
>>>>>>United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
>>>>>>"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
>>>>>>United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
>>>>>>http://AmericanBlindChess.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson"
>>>>>><dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: new on the list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello Bob!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are you
>>>>>>>currently
>>>>>>>using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have
>>>>>>>noticed
>>>>>>>some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
>>>>>>>California
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "bob mathews"
>>>>>>><bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
>>>>>>>Subject: new on the list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the 1980tys...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bob Mathews
>>>>>>>Bob Mathews Consulting
>>>>>>>866 6343773
>>>>>>>bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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