RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:16:19 -0800
Who is the moderator???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 20:48
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
> Watch the language, please.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
>
>
> > Well I have a friend who uses windoweyes and when I told him what new
> > version of jaws can do he acknowledged that it sounds pretty cool for
> > instance the support for new office, vinux acknowledges to be worse
> than
> > comercial speech stuff, I don`t know about nvda nor about serotek nor
> > about support for mac so just trying to keep things in perspective.
> Since
> > I am not american do I give a shitt about researchit features good
> for
> > americans like american sports or zip codes bookshare no I do not but
> well
> > that`s part of the product. As I tried to state bringing up valid and
> > specific criticissm of freedom scientific is valid and let them know
> aobut
> > the issues is good but I don`t expect all my complains to be
> answerewed
> > because other people may have different one and they may be in
> general
> > more important although all of us know that my points are the most
> > important and always the right one haha.
> > Zdenek
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >
> >
> >> Zdenek,
> >>
> >> No arguments (or b-ing) from me, and I won't even complain about
> your
> >> complaint on my complaining. I sense your frustration with the
> Braille
> >> display issue, and am not able to commiserate since I don't use one.
> But
> >> I'll continue to bring JAWS' fallacies to the attention of Freedom
> >> Scientific in the hope that they veer back toward the notion of
> "Job
> >> Access" being the first two letters in their name.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, they should consider renaming the product "RIWS" to
> better
> >> describe their present direction.
> >>
> >> I'll let Cy chime in on what that stands for.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and
> >> Mixing
> >> Studios, San Jose, California
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 19:36
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>
> >>
> >> dave,
> >> and that's myh bitch sabout bitching. Stimulating bitching jaws is
> worse
> >> than windoweyes in this respect explanation follows jaws is worse
> than
> >> mac
> >> speech explanation follows
> >> useless bitching jaws did not fix this bitching follows
> >> there are many applications and many demands and it must be
> difficult to
> >> try
> >> to stay on top of everything which is in demand perhaps the future
> is not
> >> in
> >> assistive technology but in companikes like microsoft coming up with
> >> speech
> >> for their product but that's not happening so until then we have to
> rely
> >> on
> >> products like jaws with all their problems and don't think that
> other
> >> products for nonvisually impraid don't have bugs and don't think
> that
> >> other
> >> companies don't sue how come that some speech software for blind
> does not
> >> support focus braille display only because it is produced by jaws
> how
> >> come
> >> that noone bittches about that?
> >> food for thought?
> >> Zdenek
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Zdenek
> >>>
> >>> ,
> >>>
> >>> And miss out on all the stimulating discussion? Never. Just because
> I
> >>> decry
> >>> the fallacies of JAWS and the apparent direction it's headed, I
> don't
> >>> think
> >>> any other screen reader is better, and choose to not sit down and
> learn
> >>> a
> >>> new one all over again. I switched from Window-Eyes to JAWS back
> around
> >>> 1999
> >>> or so. Too old now to change, and also too old to not exercise my
> right
> >>> to
> >>> complain once in a while.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording
> and
> >>> Mixing
> >>> Studios, San Jose, California
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:24
> >>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> well, I am not too sure if it is a good idea to critisize fs like
> this.
> >>> Well
> >>> if you do not like their product why do you use it? suggest
> something
> >>> better
> >>> say bye to the list and switch.
> >>> Zdenek
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I agree that fs should nail down the basic functionality before
> adding
> >>>>the
> >>>>gizzmoes. I don't need! The gizzmoes but I need jaws to to do what
> is
> >>>>advertised and stable.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom Bisset
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Alan Dicey
> >>>> Sent: November 23, 2010 12:26 PM
> >>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Cy, and Friends,
> >>>> Well, I have an icon and short cut keys for my Random House
> Webster's
> >>>> Unabridge Dictionary, the Wikipedia site, and use "Google
> >>>> Acssesible",
> >>>> so
> >>>> then you see I do not need the Research it feature of JAWS.
> >>>>
> >>>> And as some one else pointed out, I think it a fantastic idea that
> FS
> >>>> develops specific JAWS programs, for example those using Braille
> >>>> Displays,
> >>>> Large Screen magnification programs, and thus keep JAWS as basic
> as
> >>>> possible, therefore avoiding as many conflicts and problems having
> so
> >>>> many
> >>>> features in their package as they can.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my 2 cents worth!
> >>>>
> >>>> With Best Regards,
> >>>> Alan
> >>>> Miami, Florida
> >>>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
> Chess!"
> >>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:11 PM
> >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> I agree.
> >>>>> Research It is not necessary but it sure is handy when one is in
> >>>>> Outlook
> >>>>> ant
> >>>>> wants to look up something with the dictionary or Wiki Pedia.
> >>>>> Cy, The Anasazi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >>>>> Behalf
> >>>>> Of Yadiel Sotomayor
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:51 AM
> >>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Like I have said in previous posts, I like research it.
> Specially the
> >>>>> dictionary and wiki pedia modules. I really don't care much about
> >>>>> sports
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> so I don't use them at all. But I must admit that the news
> modules is
> >>>>> very
> >>>>> useful and interesting (here in Puerto Rico the world news are
> almost
> >>>>> non
> >>>>> existing) and its good to be informed. However, like most of the
> >>>>> peaple
> >>>>> who
> >>>>> use research it, it is fun, but not nesesary. Specially if the
> >>>>> companies
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> universities don't create modules to make the information
> accessible
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> it. That is where the true power of research it really lies on
> >>>>> creating
> >>>>> modules to get certain kind of information accessible to jaws
> users.
> >>>>> But
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> one creates them and so research it remains a fun feature, but
> nothing
> >>>>> else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:18 PM
> >>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi to all on this topic. I agree ok at 1st I liked Research it
> and
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> listened to that podcast I thought that is a cool feature but I
> must
> >>>>>> admit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I hardly even use the keystroke.
> >>>>>> In my personal opinion, I am glad that I waited until jaws 12
> came
> >>>>>> out.
> >>>>>> The virtual Ribbon was worth the waiting for! Now I can use
> office
> >>>>>> 2007
> >>>>>> with out avoiding it any more. I wonder why FS didn't fix that
> when
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> 1st
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> came out. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the coming
> year.
> >>>>>> I'll admit I couldn't see anything that was benifitual in jaws
> 11 and
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> the end of the day what's the point of research it if you don't
> do
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> research your self! LOL
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:39 PM
> >>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear Cy,
> >>>>>>> Well Said!
> >>>>>>> Research it?
> >>>>>>> Research it?
> >>>>>>> I ain't got no Research it!
> >>>>>>> I ain't got to use no stinkin Research it!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With Best Regards,
> >>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>> Miami, Florida
> >>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
> Chess!"
> >>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> !
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:52 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine.
> >>>>>>>> Things were a whole lot simpler back then because we were not
> >>>>>>>> trying
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
> >>>>>>>> Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when he tried to
> be
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>> to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
> >>>>>>>> Cy, The Anasazi
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>> Of Farfar Carlson
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alan,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good point, however I would think that after all those years,
> and
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> fact
> >>>>>>>> that you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS
> on
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> old
> >>>>>>>> Gateway, might have some impact on its relative stability.
> Keeping
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> simple
> >>>>>>>> unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness. Don't
> let
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that,
> too. I
> >>>>>>>> found
> >>>>>>>> several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie
> out
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> oven too soon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved
> JAWS,
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>> the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my
> >>>>>>>> opinion
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay
> for
> >>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> therefore worth nothing to anyone who has a different
> opinion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into
> three
> >>>>>>>> basic
> >>>>>>>> products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one
> for
> >>>>>>>> Braille,
> >>>>>>>> and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and
> receive is
> >>>>>>>> optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a
> >>>>>>>> cure-all
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> all ailments.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other
> module to
> >>>>>>>> allow
> >>>>>>>> dual capability.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a
> >>>>>>>> suggestion
> >>>>>>>> that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another
> >>>>>>>> opinion
> >>>>>>>> worth
> >>>>>>>> every penny.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alan, thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up
> >>>>>>>> onto.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
> >>>>>>>> California
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38
> >>>>>>>> Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear Dorothy, and List Members,
> >>>>>>>> I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I
> am a
> >>>>>>>> cave
> >>>>>>>> man,
> >>>>>>>> and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in
> early
> >>>>>>>> 1999,
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book
> 6, but
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> also
> >>>>>>>> have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open
> Book
> >>>>>>>> 7.02.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The point here especially for Dave is that things have not
> gotten
> >>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users,
> they
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old
> >>>>>>>> computer's
> >>>>>>>> configuration for 11 years.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can any say that about what they are using right now, with
> JAWS 12,
> >>>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>> 7?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not I!!
> >>>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> With Best Regards,
> >>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>> Miami, Florida
> >>>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
> Chess!"
> >>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-
> gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it was interesting, and I think another list member met him
> as
> >>>>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but
> I
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>>>> it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list
> can be
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> bit
> >>>>>>>>> stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell
> >>>>>>>>> computers,
> >>>>>>>>> having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact
> when
> >>>>>>>>> engineer
> >>>>>>>>> came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have
> had
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> pay
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard
> Dell
> >>>>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>>> big
> >>>>>>>>> profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy
> is
> >>>>>>>>> sinking, I
> >>>>>>>>> have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7,
> and
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> prior
> >>>>>>>>> viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send
> to me
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers
> were
> >>>>>>>>> making
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your
> windows
> >>>>>>>>> 98,
> >>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>> have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had
> his pc
> >>>>>>>>> custom
> >>>>>>>>> made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current
> dell
> >>>>>>>>> desktop
> >>>>>>>>> sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was
> >>>>>>>>> thinking
> >>>>>>>>> like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a
> song was
> >>>>>>>>> sung
> >>>>>>>>> about Chevrolet57----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Dave,
> >>>>>>>>>> I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list,
> but I
> >>>>>>>>>> thought
> >>>>>>>>>> the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and
> when
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> met
> >>>>>>>>>> Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still
> developing
> >>>>>>>>>> JAWS.
> >>>>>>>>>> It had not been released yet!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> With Best Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>>>> Miami, Florida
> >>>>>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>>>>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
> >>>>>>>>>> Chess!"
> >>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell
> me
> >>>>>>>>>>> why
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> posted
> >>>>>>>>>>> this reply.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fill me in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San
> Jose,
> >>>>>>>>>>> California
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a
> Blind
> >>>>>>>>>>> Computer
> >>>>>>>>>>> Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
> >>>>>>>>>>> He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading
> >>>>>>>>>>> software.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I
> >>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the nearly 30 attendents did
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the
> >>>>>>>>>>> speakers
> >>>>>>>>>>> stand
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can
> go up
> >>>>>>>>>>> against
> >>>>>>>>>>> Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Giant
> >>>>>>>>>>> corporations that could throw as much money into their
> Screen
> >>>>>>>>>>> reading
> >>>>>>>>>>> software programs as they cared to".
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial
> gentleman.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> With Best Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>>>>> Miami, Florida
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan Dicey, President
> >>>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chess!"
> >>>>>>>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: new on the list
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Bob!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS
> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>> using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> noticed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San
> Jose,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> California
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: new on the list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1980tys...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Mathews
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Mathews Consulting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 866 6343773
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>> contact
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> JFW related links:
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>>> Rather
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> JFW related links:
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> >>>>>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-
> jdh.com
> >>>>>>>> JFW List instructions:
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> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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> >>>>>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from
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> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>>>>>> contact
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-
> jdh.com
> >>>>>>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>>>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> >>>>>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
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> >>>>>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >>>>>>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>>>>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from
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> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>>>>>> contact
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-
> jdh.com
> >>>>>>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>>>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> >>>>>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
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> >>>>>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >>>>>>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>>>>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from
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> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>>>>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>>>>> JFW List instructions:
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> >>>>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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> >>>>>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
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> Rather
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Rather
> >>>>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> >>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
> subject
> >>>>> line.
> >>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >>>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
> list,
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
> >>>>> contact
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> JFW related links:
> >>>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> >>>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the
> subject
> >>>>> line.
> >>>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >>>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
> list,
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> JFW related links:
> >>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>> JFW List instructions:
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> >>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
> list,
> >>>> or
> >>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> --
> >>>> JFW related links:
> >>>> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
> >>>> Scripting mailing list:
> >>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
> >>>> JFW List instructions:
> >>>> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
> >>>> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject
> >>>> line.
> >>>> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
> >>>> Alternative archives located at:
> >>>> http://n2.nabble.com/JAWS-for-Windows-f2145279.html
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the
> list,
> >>>> or
> >>>> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list.
> Rather
> >>>> contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx$U«zVyÙbzK
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JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
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To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
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Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
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