Re: JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4

Hi Dave, and everyone else. I just wanted to let you all know that I have sent 
an email to the address that you provided Dave and got a responce saying that 
thanks for the email and don't expect a reply unless they need any further 
answers or questions. 
Just letting you all know really. If anyone else wants this feature then do so 
like wise that I did and send your sergestions to 
sergestions@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Regards 
Daniel 


From: Farfar Carlson 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:15 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4


Daniel,

Good suggestion about a beep instead of number on the progress bar. Send that 
to suggestions@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and don't hold your breath for a quick 
resolution.

As to the keystroke, yes it's even harder on a keyboard that has split sections 
like the Microsoft Natural. But only used once in a while. It doesn't tell you 
anything, but it shuts down JAWS faster than any other command so you can try 
to launch it within a few seconds of performing those acrobatics.

As to having an audible sound when using that command, again send your idea (I 
suggest separate messages) to suggestions@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio Recording 
and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel McGee 
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:34
  Subject: Re: JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4


  Hello Dave, Tom and Peter. Many Thanks for your comments. As long as I know 
that it doesn't take up too much space I will just continue to use Jaws as 
normal. WOW I must admit its a pritty cool keystroke though on the down side it 
does require some acrobatics. LOL I can do it no prob but what about thoughs 
who don't have that flexibility?Ah well I guess its not a keystroke that one is 
awear of. I mean I wasn't until today! I might give it a try when my computer 
freezes up again and see what happens. Idealy what do people think about some 
kind of sound letting one know that when you have done the action you know its 
done because you hear the sound. I mean if that's what it's for to "kill Jaws" 
then you might as well know because if the computer is in a state of being 
frozen then I know it sounds stupid and to me pritty obvious, but how else is a 
blind user going to tell that jaws is no longer running. If not by speach then 
by a sound if you follow my meaning. 
  What do you all think. Also I would like the idea of in a new future version 
of Jaws to have the abilty to beap progress bars rather then having them spoken 
all the time. Again what do you all think? Probably you all might think I'm 
crazy but I personally like the ideas myself. 
  Thanks 
  Daniel      


  From: Peter Holdstock 
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:10 PM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Subject: Re: JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4


  I’m sure they’ll ask if they want them anyway and give instructions on how to 
get them.

  Peter

  From: Farfar Carlson 
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:49 PM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Subject: JAWS System Dump File from Insert+Windows+F4

  Daniel,

  I sure don't remember, but someone on this list does know where it gets 
created. No, it doesn't take much disc space at all, and I think each iteration 
overwrites the previous.

  Dave
  Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio Recording 
and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Daniel McGee 
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:29
    Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA update 

    Hello Dave, not sure if you got my previous message so I will write again 
in case it got lost in the conversation or if anyone else can answer then 
please do. 
    When Dave was talking about the function to Kill Jaws, Jaws key, Windows 
and F4 you mentioned it creates a file that if sent to FS it can help with them 
in figureing out the problem that was happening on the computer at the present 
time when it wasn't behaving correctly. Well my question is: where can this 
fouldor be located if ever I wanted to send the file to FS? Also adding to that 
I know one wouldn't do the command unless they really have to but I was just 
also wondering do the files take up a lot of memory i.e. Hard dics space and 
finally Is it safe to delete if they built up over time? Would deleting them 
effect Jaws in anyway?
    Look forward to hearing from you or anyone else in ansering my questions. 
    Many Thanks 
    Daniel    

    From: Peter Holdstock 
    Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:08 PM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA update 

    MY pc at work is shut down every day. The fact I keep having a problem with 
word crashing at the moment doesn’t help. Every time it brings up the not 
responding message jaws refuses to speak until I can get it off. Unfortunately 
narrator won’t come up either and as usual most of our IT people don’t have a 
clue about access technologies.

    Peter

    From: Farfar Carlson 
    Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 6:40 PM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA update 

    Peter,

    Happens to me about once a day, as well, and that's here at work. Still 
waiting an extra 20 seconds for JAWS to settle down and then reloading usually 
takes care of the problem, unless another application (usually Outlook) is hung 
up. then I use Narrator to uncover the culprit and close it down and then JAWS 
comes back up. Turn off Narrator and back to work.

    Don't often have to do a complete power-off shutdown, perhaps once every 
three weeks.

    Dave
    Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio 
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Peter Holdstock 
      To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 08:01
      Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA update 

      Tried all that Dave. It’s all fine on my home PC with Windows 7 but at 
work where we are running XP Pro sometimes I just lose it all together. Very 
difficult with my job as I’m interviewing people most of the day, need the 
computer, and because of the speed of the PC, network, security bits and pieces 
your talking about five or six minutes at least to get logged back on again, 
not to mention the work lost.

      Peter

      From: Farfar Carlson 
      Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:57 PM
      To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA update 

      Peter,

      Wait 20 to 30 seconds after killing JAWS before attempting to load again. 
It needs to "flush" from the system.

      Dave
      Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio 
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Peter Holdstock 
        To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 06:46
        Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update 

        Yeh works for me too. The difficulty then comes when JAWS completely 
refuses to come back up again.

        peter

        From: Hamid Hamraz 
        Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:44 PM
        To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update 

        When Jaws freezes, i.e. Jaws key + F4 does not quit, I try the Jaws key 
+ windows + F4 to force Jaws to exit. That usually works for me.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Yadiel Sotomayor 
          To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:54 PM
          Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update 

          ?When my computer freezes I always go to the task manager, processes 
and 
          press j for jfw and hit the aplication key. If I hear a sound I press 
down 
          arrow and hit enter twice to close jaws. Usually it works. However, 
          sometimes it doesn't. When that happens I usually wait for at least 5 
          minutes. I know it is anoying having a song playing while your 
computer is 
          locked up, but that usually means it is working and it is not 
completely 
          frozen. Once thanks for not waiting I crashed so bad my computer that 
I 
          needed to re instal windows.
          Clean instal through and through. I lost everything because at the 
time I 
          did not backup at all. I learned my leason that's for sure.

          --------------------------------------------------
          From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:01 AM
          To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update

          > Actually I had several programs running at once--Firefox, Outlook 
Express, 
          > MSWord, Powerpoint, My Computer/Folder Options.  At one point I 
pressed 
          > Alt+Tab to changed the focus to another window and my Focus braille 
          > display and Jaws locked up; the music I had playing in Firefox 
continued 
          > playing.  I tried closing each of my apps one by one with alt+f4, 
Windows 
          > Task Manager, End Program (alt+e), shut down--but none of those 
steps 
          > worked; the music kept playing and Jaws remained silent, the Focus 
stayed 
          > on the same message. Finally I pressed and held the power button 
till the 
          > music stopped and my computer shut off.  When I pressed Power again 
to 
          > reboot, my computer started a vicious cycle of trying to Launch 
Windows, 
          > asking if I wanted to start in Safe or Normal Mode, then stopping 
and 
          > going back to the beginning of the bootup process, and the cycle 
just kept 
          > repeating--till I held Power to stop the computer.  With sighted 
          > assistance I located a message on the screen saying Windows 
couldn't start 
          > successfully, and apologize for the inconvenience.
          > The best solution is not having so many things running at once, and 
if my 
          > screenreader freezes or goes to sleep, and none of the graceful 
steps for 
          > shutting down works, call for sighted help.  The helper would be 
able to 
          > close or get things running with a mouse or by looking at the 
screen for 
          > any dialogs that are invisible or inaudible to me.  Obviously Jaws 
or 
          > Windows got tied up in knots due to the overload or multitude of 
running 
          > apps, and forcibly stopping the computer corrupted the version of 
Windows 
          > and made it inoperable.  I could have saved the day by just being 
patient 
          > and getting help from whoever had the time.
          > Thanks for the suggestions.
          >
          > Douglas Richard Dexheimer
          > Chief of Braille Productions
          > Born-Again Productions
          > The Friedman Place, Apt.308
          > 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
          > Chicago, IL 60625
          > 773-409-6163
          > drichardd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
          > ----- Original Message ----- 
          > From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:41 PM
          > Subject: Re: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update
          >
          >
          >> You probably pressed that key during a critical part of a disk 
drive 
          >> write
          >> operation. No way to really know and all I can suggest is that you 
listen 
          >> to
          >> your hard drive and make sure that it's not chattering when you 
press the
          >> power button.
          >>
          >> Dave
          >> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
          >> Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
          >> ----- Original Message ----- 
          >> From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          >> Cc: "Paul Kushinger" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 17:21
          >> Subject: corrupted version of WindowsRe: message about a JAVA 
update
          >>
          >>
          >> I too had to reinstall Windows on a new drive because my former 
edition 
          >> of
          >> XP got corrupted, due to pressing and holding the power button on 
the
          >> computer when my screenreader and braille display froze.  When I 
(via a
          >> sighted techie) installed a new version of XP on a new drive sent 
by my
          >> brother, all my old files and programs were on the old drive 
(which had 
          >> the
          >> former version of XP) but not the new one; a clean version of 
Windows
          >> installed with the programs transferred from the old drive, but 
none of 
          >> the
          >> old documents, emails, web browser favorites, Winamp bookmarks, 
etc.  The
          >> techie transferred all the files and programs from the old drive 
to his
          >> external thumb drive, then from the thumb drive to this new drive, 
but 
          >> not
          >> all of them got onto the new drive.  Tonight he hopes to reconnect 
this 
          >> old
          >> drive so I can find those old files and migrate them to the new 
drive.
          >> Programs can't install from an old drive to a new; they have to be
          >> reinstalled or redownloaded from scratch.
          >> Why would pressing the power when my screenreader freezes, and 
nothing 
          >> else
          >> I try works, corrupt Windows so it can't reboot anymore?
          >>
          >> Douglas Richard Dexheimer
          >> Chief of Braille Productions
          >> Born-Again Productions
          >> The Friedman Place, Apt.308
          >> 5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
          >> Chicago, IL 60625
          >> 773-409-6163
          >> drichardd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
          >> ----- Original Message ----- 
          >> From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          >> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          >> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:00 AM
          >> Subject: message about a JAVA update
          >>
          >>
          >>> Hello Cy and Friends,
          >>> Before I reinstalled Windows due to a corrupted version of XP, and
          >>> completely started over with a completely clean System's Drive, I 
had 
          >>> this
          >>> terrible problem all the time, even a couple times a day, it was 
so
          >>> terribly annoying.
          >>>
          >>> I must assume then, it is because some "Cookie" was deleted when 
the new
          >>> install occurred.
          >>>
          >>> I bet you are receiving this message because of some "Cookie" 
that got
          >>> onto your system.
          >>>
          >>> If you can find the "Cookie" that brings this message into your 
system,
          >>> and delete it, I am sure your problem will go away!
          >>>
          >>> With Best Regards,
          >>> Alan
          >>> Miami, Florida
          >>> Alan Dicey, President
          >>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
          >>> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play 
Chess!"
          >>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
          >>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org
          >>>
          >>>
          >>
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