Robert, You mean the public release is called a "candidate?" In what sense is it construed to be a candidate, in the origin of the expression? A candidate for what? I'm not joking or being sarcastic. I'm just asking a linguistic question, and I hope you're as curious a person as I am about language. If you don't know, I hope someone else might have an idea. This kined of thing is interesting. I'd never have inferred what you say it is, because I'd expect a context in which we knew there was to be some sort of comparison or contest in which one thing could win while the others lost. The word has to emerge from somewhere, and this normal meaning may be a clue to where the expression comes from in the tech lingo. I also need to ask again, more specifically, because it must not sound unusual to you. But what does it mean to "update to" something. Is that, for instance, a shorthand tech way of send an update command to something? Or is it in fact a gratuitous extra word so that the normal expression, where we simply say I updated my wardrobe, FS updated the current release of Jaws, and so forth, become "update to," somehow? again, I'm not being facetious. This usage isn't normally literate, and you wouldn't see it in most other communication, journalism or other responsible writing. Although I have to guess you can hear it in tech circles and read it written in tech writing? Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McCoy" <rmccoy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Error when trying to update The final release, or the public release, not a beta. Robert McCoy (506) 459-6636 volunteer, your community needs you -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:39 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Error when trying to update Hi Robert, I can see you're technically sophisticated, and I'm certainly not complaining. But would you mind translating into regular English what you mean when you talk about "updating to the release candidate?" I'd love to understand how you'd say that if you didn't know those expressions. I don't mean the individual words. I know the words themselves. I'm sure there's some grammar missing, as there usually is with tech talk, so it makes it all the more baffling to me. I'm sure it's not much more esoteric than the techhy way of calling one's email program a "client," the kind of thing even New York Times tech columnist David Pogue complains about. Anyway, I'm not being partisan. if that kind of diction is cool in tech circles, fine by me. But how do you say it in a regular way, sort of? thanks. From: "Robert McCoy" <rmccoy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Error when trying to update Each time I try to update to the release candidate of JAWS 10 I get an error 824, sub 0 I first tried the update feature then uninstalled and downloaded the full version and tried to install, same results. I have e-mailed JFW. Any suggestions? Robert McCoy (506) 459-6636 volunteer, your community needs you -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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