Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among manypeculiarities
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:23:25 -0800
Steve,
I'm using Eloquence, too, although it didn't occur to me to mention that. I
know if you use more than one synth, as I'm guessing you do,you understand
how the synthesizer involved may be a factor, too. So thanks for mentioning
that. Yeah, I will put some time into writing to FS. It isn't as if I never
consult FS tech support about a problem I may be having with Jaws, but this
stuff I experience with Jaws 8 is so, well, massive, that it kind of blows
me away. I mean it's been discouraging me from doing much beyond compiling a
constantly-growing list of stuff as I encounter it.I mean something a
little less polite than "stuff," as I'm sure you understand.
If I manage to write them a coherent memo, maybe I'll post it to the list
just so others can see the extent of the hassles this version is causing me.
Not just to complain, but to compare, so that others don't think they may be
just too demanding or oversensitive or something. This is really a bad
version, in my book. Never had this happen in previous versions, any of it.
a,hat e E.----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gomes" <finnygomes@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among manypeculiarities
Hi Yard Bird. I have gotten that repeat also. I will be listening to
something with eloquence and it will say the same thing over and over again.
Go ahead and write freedom about it. and if you don't like your answer,
write to Bryan Carver.
my web site
www.11954.com/gomes
phone 720-747-4990
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among manypeculiarities
> Hi cher,
> I have no solution, and this won't make you feel much better to hear, but
> what you describe is another of the many Jaws 8 problems I experience
> regularly. Often, when I'm reading a long email using Say All, or even the
> text of a news article on the Web with IE 7 and in other contexts as well,
> Jaws 8 will do things like simply stop speaking, or sometimes keep
> repeating
> a line or two instead of moving forward. Sometimes an Insert Escape
> command
> to refresh the screen helps,and sometimes it doesn't. It hasn't occurred
> to
> me to cycle out of the application and back into tit on the Task Bar with
> Alt Tab, but now I'll try that just to see if it has any effect.
>
> This isn't the issue I originally mentioned as I began this thread, but
> it's
> certainly another on a long list of bad things Jaws 8 is doing, not only
> in
> OE but elsewhere, as well. For me, that is.
>
> Today I mean to switch my shortcut command for launching Jaws back to
> connecting with Jaws 7., while I decide whether to invest some time in
> writing a coherent message to FS listing all my Jaws 8 focus issues or
> just
> wait for this update they say is soon to be posted.
>
> Again, sorry not to be able to offer helpful suggestions.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cher Bosch" <Cher.Bosch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among manypeculiarities
>
>
> I'm losing focus when editing with OE6 and JAWS8. I get along pretty
> well reading, but let me do some serious editing, and "Katy bar the
> dooor!". Once I lose focus and JAWS quits reading correctly, refreshing
> the screen or even alt-tabbing does not seem to have much ability to fix
> it.
>
> Cher
>
>
>
>>>> RAWest <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 02/02/07 4:22 PM >>>
>
> Yardbird
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Do you have power toys installed on your pc?
>
> If so open tweakui and on general go to focus.
>
> See if the prevent applications from steeling focus box is checked if
> so
> uncheck it.
>
> Maybe this could resolve your problem.
>
> Again just a thought.
>
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many
> peculiarities
>
>
> So you look the guy who confronted you with "You gotta issue with me?"
> up and down, decide he's a member of the Cornerlords or Taylor Street
> gang, shake your hed.
>
> "What's wrong, you too good to debate with me, or sumpin?"
>
> My plumber had an even better euphemism for problem. "I have to tell
> you
> about a circumstance in the guest bathroom."
>
> I think as long as people keep telling Freedom Scientific that they
> have
> an issue with such and such, they won't be taken seriously. In fact I
> once told Tracy that I didn't have a issue but a problem. He or she
> replied with a counter-fusilade of three uses of issue.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many
> peculiarities
>
>
> Hey Joseph,
> thanks for the sympathy and the reminder to work "focus issue" into my
> reports or complaints. Yeah, this is just one example of many such
> things I
> have with jaws 8. It's nearly crippled by this sort of problem,. It
> never
> occurred to me that it might be HTML related; one reason is that in
> fact
> I've taken pains to set my email preferences for the two emails I
> mentioned,
> from two newspapers' online editions, sent to me in plain text, and
> they
> are. So maybe it's not just about HTML.
>
> I'm telling you, I can't see any good reason to not do as you've done,
> and
> go back to working smoothly on my computer without this and all the
> other
> stuff that happens and makes me feel like my computer's having a
> nervous
> breakdown or my virtual cursor is stuck in mud. After all, I installed
> and
> tried out the SAPI 5 Say All voices, decided I didn't care for their
> performance (though I did develop a major crush on the voice Karen,
> I'll
> admit) and right now I can't remember what other important advances
> Jaws
> 8
> is supposed to represent. I mean embody. Sorry, tired.
>
> I think I'll do that, just go back to my Jaws 7.0 (I never bothered
> with
> the
> 7.1 update after I hear so many complaints on this list about it) and
> get
> back to normal functionality without the hassle. Though I do hope
> someone
> has reported some of this stuff and that the coming update will
> reflect
> some
> effort at fixing at least some of it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many
> peculiarities
>
>
> Hi there,
> This is like third or fourth time that a
> focus issue with JAWS has found another
> victim. Yes, this is my theory: that it
> might be caused by focus tracking issues.
> Unfortunately, like other souls, I have no
> fix that might help. Recent emails
> pertaining to issues such as this one is best
> described as "focus tracking issue." (another
> reason for me to see Freedom Scientific staff
> at CSUN 2007, especially Eric) This is
> another reason why I'm not using 8.0 even
> though I installed it (apart from several
> issues with Internet Sound Schemes that
> failed to work with 8.0). It is always HTML
> related apps. Repairing JAWS won't do a
> trick (as one of the members stated; on my
> system, it started with 7.1 - even the latest
> update for 7.1 didn't fix it despite Freedom
> Scientific's claim that it has been fixed).
> I hope February update for JAWS 8.0 fixes
> these problems.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:13:18 -0800
>>Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8
> issue-- one among many peculiarities
>
>>LOL. Sure I have, Bruce. But a repair
> didn't change any of a whole laundry
>>list of bad stuff this version is doing.
> It's really awful. You know what
>>fixes it up perfectly? Unloading Jaws 8 and
> launching Jaws 7! But that's not
>>quite tohe solution I'm hoping for.
>
>>Arghh.
>>prefectly?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx
>>To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:58 PM
>>Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8
> issue-- one among many peculiarities
>
>
>>I have never experienced anything remotely
> like this. Have you trie d
>>arepair of JAWS?
>
>>Bruce
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>>On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Yardbird wrote:
>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not anticipating that anyone is likely
> to have a fix for this problem,
>>> which is just one out of a long list of Jaws
> 8 misbehaviors that I'm
>>> making
>>> a list of so that I can send FS a coherent
> report about the weird stuff
>>> this
>>> version does on my system. by which I don't
> mean my digestive system,
>>> although I'd have to say that the stress
> quotient from having to deal with
>>> this stuff must be causing me some of the
> heartburn I've been suffering
>>> lately. Anyway, it sounds dramatic to say
> so.
>
>>> But here's just one interesting misbehavior
> among many: When I have an
>>> email
>>> open with active links in it, such as I get
> each morning from the New York
>>> times and Los Angeles times with selections
> of headlines with links for
>>> going to read them online, or when someone
> posts a helpful message about
>>> some information available at some blind
> tech site, and I come to that
>>> link
>>> with my cursor and Enter on it, Internet
> Explorer properly launches if it
>>> isn't already running, and the page that URL
> belongs to loads. I can hear
>>> this in progress by reading the OE status
> line with Insert Page Down.
>
>>> so far, all that's normal. But here's what
> happens that is really weird,
>>> if
>>> I stay in the open email and don't get out
> of there immediately to go into
>>> the browser: Jaws begins to read downward in
> the email from the point
>>> where
>>> I clicked on that link, and won't stop
> unless I catch it, hit Control to
>>> shut Reed up, and then arrow back up to
> where I meant to leave the cursor
>>> at
>>> that link before proceeding down the email.
> Jaws just takes off on its own
>>> and tries to go on reading the rest of the
> email. I've never had this
>>> happen
>>> before, and it took me some time before I
> understood clearly what was up
>>> and
>>> learned to ignore the confusing distraction
> of hearing this stuff while
>>> trying to figure out if the Web page was
> loading. it's even caused me to
>>> lose my place in the email because, check
> this out, I might stop Jaws from
>>> reading the email, but then it starts
> talking about the opening Web page,
>>> as
>>> if I'd been taken to it the way you are when
> clicking on a link in an
>>> email
>>> launches the browser. But in these cases,
> the browser will already have
>>> been running, and in fact I'm still with the
> open email on screen in front
>>> of me. But nonetheless, Jaws is happily
> reporting that the page is 20 per
>>> cent, 24 per cent, 50 per cent, 100 per cent
> loaded and then that it has
>>> nine frames and 360 links. While I'm still
> actually in the open email.
>
>>> It's tricky for me to figure this out, but
> with my limited vision, I was
>>> able to look carefully at the screen and
> realize that what was on it was
>>> still Outlook Express with an open message.
> Until I figured it out, I was
>>> doing stuff like pressing Control Home to go
> to the top of the loading Web
>>> page, which sounded as if Jaws were just
> reading down it without my
>>> consent,
>>> already. And of course, it turned out I was
> pressing Control Home in the
>>> open email, and losing my place in it, which
> is a pain.
>
>>> So, I hope this sounds amusing, because I
> admit it's pretty goofy. But
>>> what
>>> I want to know is, has anybody else
> experienced this particular thing? Or
>>> is it just me, as we say? Just kidding. I
> don't think there's anything the
>>> matter with my system and its configuration,
> Jaws-wise.
>
>>> So?
>
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