Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities

  • From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:55:16 -0700

So you look the guy who confronted you with "You gotta issue with me?" 
up and down, decide he's a member of the Cornerlords or Taylor Street 
gang, shake your hed.

"What's wrong, you too good to debate with me, or sumpin?"

My plumber had an even better euphemism for problem. "I have to tell you 
about a circumstance in the guest bathroom."

I think as long as people keep telling Freedom Scientific that they have 
an issue with such and such, they won't be taken seriously. In fact I 
once told Tracy that I didn't have a issue but a problem. He or she 
replied with a counter-fusilade of three uses of issue.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many 
peculiarities


Hey Joseph,
thanks for the sympathy and the reminder to work "focus issue" into my
reports or complaints. Yeah, this is just one example of many such 
things I
have with jaws 8. It's nearly crippled by this sort of problem,. It 
never
occurred to me that it might be HTML related; one reason is that in fact
I've taken pains to set my email preferences for the two emails I 
mentioned,
from two newspapers' online editions, sent to me in plain text, and they
are. So maybe it's not just about HTML.

I'm telling you, I can't see any good reason to not do as you've done, 
and
go back to working smoothly on my computer without this and all the 
other
stuff that happens and makes me feel like my computer's having a nervous
breakdown or my virtual cursor is stuck in mud. After all, I installed 
and
tried out the SAPI 5 Say All voices, decided I didn't care for their
performance (though I did develop  a major crush on the voice Karen, 
I'll
admit) and right now I can't remember what other important advances Jaws 
8
is supposed to represent. I mean embody. Sorry, tired.

I think I'll do that, just go back to my Jaws 7.0 (I never bothered with 
the
7.1 update after I hear so many complaints on this list about it) and 
get
back to normal functionality without the hassle. Though I do hope 
someone
has reported some of this stuff and that the coming update will reflect 
some
effort at fixing at least some of it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many 
peculiarities


Hi there,
This is like third or fourth time that a
focus issue with JAWS has found another
victim.  Yes, this is my theory: that it
might be caused by focus tracking issues.
Unfortunately, like other souls, I have no
fix that might help.  Recent emails
pertaining to issues such as this one is best
described as "focus tracking issue." (another
reason for me to see Freedom Scientific staff
at CSUN 2007, especially Eric) This is
another reason why I'm not using 8.0 even
though I installed it (apart from several
issues with Internet Sound Schemes that
failed to work with 8.0).  It is always HTML
related apps.  Repairing JAWS won't do a
trick (as one of the members stated; on my
system, it started with 7.1 - even the latest
update for 7.1 didn't fix it despite Freedom
Scientific's claim that it has been fixed).
I hope February update for JAWS 8.0 fixes
these problems.
Cheers,
Joseph

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:13:18 -0800
>Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8
issue-- one among many peculiarities

>LOL.  Sure I have, Bruce.  But a repair
didn't change any of a whole laundry
>list of bad stuff this version is doing.
It's really awful.  You know what
>fixes it up perfectly? Unloading Jaws 8 and
launching Jaws 7! But that's not
>quite tohe solution I'm hoping for.

>Arghh.
>prefectly?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx
>To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:58 PM
>Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8
issue-- one among many peculiarities


>I have never experienced anything remotely
like this.  Have you trie d
>arepair of JAWS?

>Bruce

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>On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Yardbird wrote:

>> Hi all,
>> I'm not anticipating that anyone is likely
to have a fix for this problem,
>> which is just one out of a long list of Jaws
8 misbehaviors that I'm
>> making
>> a list of so that I can send FS a coherent
report about the weird stuff
>> this
>> version does on my system.  by which I don't
mean my digestive system,
>> although I'd have to say that the stress
quotient from having to deal with
>> this stuff must be causing me some of the
heartburn I've been suffering
>> lately.  Anyway, it sounds dramatic to say
so.

>> But here's just one interesting misbehavior
among many: When I have an
>> email
>> open with active links in it, such as I get
each morning from the New York
>> times and Los Angeles times with selections
of headlines with links for
>> going to read them online, or when someone
posts a helpful message about
>> some information available at some blind
tech site, and I come to that
>> link
>> with my cursor and Enter on it, Internet
Explorer properly launches if it
>> isn't already running, and the page that URL
belongs to loads.  I can hear
>> this in progress by reading the OE status
line with Insert Page Down.

>> so far, all that's normal.  But here's what
happens that is really weird,
>> if
>> I stay in the open email and don't get out
of there immediately to go into
>> the browser: Jaws begins to read downward in
the email from the point
>> where
>> I clicked on that link, and won't stop
unless I catch it, hit Control to
>> shut Reed up, and then arrow back up to
where I meant to leave the cursor
>> at
>> that link before proceeding down the email.
Jaws just takes off on its own
>> and tries to go on reading the rest of the
email.  I've never had this
>> happen
>> before, and it took me some time before I
understood clearly what was up
>> and
>> learned to ignore the confusing distraction
of hearing this stuff while
>> trying to figure out if the Web page was
loading.  it's even caused me to
>> lose my place in the email because, check
this out, I might stop Jaws from
>> reading the email, but then it starts
talking about the opening Web page,
>> as
>> if I'd been taken to it the way you are when
clicking on a link in an
>> email
>> launches the browser.  But in these cases,
the  browser will already have
>> been running, and in fact I'm still with the
open email on screen in front
>> of me.  But nonetheless, Jaws is happily
reporting that the page is 20 per
>> cent, 24 per cent, 50 per cent, 100 per cent
loaded and then that it has
>> nine frames and 360 links.  While  I'm still
actually in the open email.

>> It's tricky for me to figure this out, but
with my limited vision, I was
>> able to look carefully at the screen and
realize that what was on it was
>> still Outlook Express with an open message.
Until I figured it out, I was
>> doing stuff like pressing Control Home to go
to the top of the loading Web
>> page, which sounded as if Jaws were just
reading down it without my
>> consent,
>> already.  And of course, it turned out I was
pressing Control Home in the
>> open email, and losing my place in it, which
is a pain.

>> So, I hope this sounds amusing, because I
admit it's pretty goofy.  But
>> what
>> I want to know is, has anybody  else
experienced this particular thing? Or
>> is it just me, as we say? Just kidding.  I
don't think there's anything the
>> matter with my system and its configuration,
Jaws-wise.

>> So?

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