I'm sorry, Tink. The problem was not on the home page but on the useful links page. I thought I had pasted the URL to that page but, obviously, I did not. I presume you have read the reply from George. I do think it is important to draw their attention to the spacer image graphics. If you don't mind, I will send them the relevant points from your message regarding this. Thanks Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Jaws UK" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages Barry, I've just had a look at this page: http://www.nalsvi.org I can't replicate the problem you are having and I can't find any headings within the html code either. The designers appear to have visually presented headings by simply using an enlarged font size, rather than using the specific html code for marking up a heading. I'm using Jaws 6.1, should this be a version issue. I can't see any logical reason for this to happen, either with previous versions of Jaws or any other. It's possible that some combination of the JavaScript and frames used on the site is confusing Jaws, but this is only a very random guess at the cause of this behaviour. Another possibility is that much of the code isn't very well formed. Html tags are opened but not closed properly. Ordinarily, this wouldn't make much difference from the browser point of view, but it's something that could be causing a screen reader some difficulty. Again, just another shot in the dark. One suggestion I would make to the developers of the site, if you are able to contact them, would be to change the way they have given a text description to their spacer images. Spacer images are invisible to the onlooker, but because of the accessibility guideline that says that all images must have a text description, they are each being announced with the word, "spacer", to screen reader users. There are many of these on the page, which is quite time consuming to listen to. It is possible to hide these images from screen readers as well as from visual users. The code at the moment probably looks something like this, for one of those images: <img src="spacer.gif" alt="spacer" /> If they alter it to something like this: <img src="spacer.gif" alt="" /> With nothing between the quote marks of the alt="" attribute, then those images will become unobtrusive to everyone, whilst keeping in line with accessibility guidelines. HTH, Tink. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages > Hi Vanja > > As I know the people who own the particular site, is there anything I can > suggest to them that would rectify the problem? > > Thanks > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vanja Sudar" <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:11 PM > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages > > > Hi Barry, unfortunately you can't do anything about this, it's the way the > page is coded. > Vanja > MSN messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx > AIM: vanja121 > Skype: vanja121 > http://www.sudar.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Jaws list" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:49 PM > Subject: [jaws-uk] Headings in web pages > > >> Hi all >> >> On some web pages, jaws reads *heading level...* on nearly every line of >> text. 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