Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004

..and don' you go fergettin' it, neither...
..some people's kids...
:-p

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From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wed 3/1/2006 5:05 AM
To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Subject: [isalist] Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004



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Yeah, you're right I'll leave the moral issues aside and instead start spewing 
about songs that are older than me and how I wasted three hours at toys-r-us 
instead. :)

Tell me again what I was trying to accomplish there?
Oh yeah, right, just point out that in the case of an ISP, the "P2P has no 
place in business" argument doesn't really applies.

Anyways, I was merely pointing out the possibility, your honor.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Envoyé : 1 mars 2006 01:45
À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Objet : [isalist] Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004

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Both of you are off in never-land.

1. There are a number of ISPs using ISA - I can't say which (have to kill the 
entire list), but they exist and yes; they're a mix of SecureNET and Web Proxy 
configurations

2. There are no "moral" or "principle" issues with an ISP controlling the 
traffic sent across *their* network.  You're leasing bandwidth and access 
rights which are limited by the AUP you agreed to.

Don't like your ISP practices?  You are well within your rights to take your 
business elsewhere, but *please* don't start spewing about morals or principles 
when you're talking about ISP policies.

-----Original Message-----
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of John T (Lists)
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:31 PM
To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Subject: [isalist] Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004

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Alexandre, I think you read too much into his post.

1. No ISP is going to be using a firewall, let alone ISA server, to have
their client behind it. They use something much simpler called routers.

2. If an ISP had a purpose to use a firewall, and ISA server at that, to
protect their clients, that ISP is going to be extremely specialized serving
maybe schools or such in which case they would indeed want to block stuff.

3. Yes, I read the non-english as first language in his post. Here, let me
translate it for you into English: "I want to allow Kaaza and other such
programs to and from my internet connection. Please tell me how to do this."

4. My point stands, the use of programs such as Kaaza and using firewalls
such as ISA server are mutually exclusive based on their intended purpose
and design.

John T
eServices For You

"Seek, and ye shall find!"


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:43 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Yeah, that's good and all that, but he says he runs an ISP, I believe.
>
> English is also obviously not his first language, so I'd suggest cutting
the guy some
> slack.
>
> Some people here will bray and neigh all they want that ISP have a right
to filter
> content and should not give in to whatever request their customers may
have, but I
> for one will take my business elsewhere the day my ISP starts filtering
the content I
> can access. This is not China; it's a question of morals and principles --
and I believe
> that access to information, even if that information is something I
consider wrong, is a
> inherent right to anyone. Freedom of speech also means letting someone say
> something you might not like. You're free to not listen if that insults
you.
>
> Now, in order to be helpful, it would be a matter of creating protocol
ports with
> inbound/outbound connection definitions, and source/destination ports.
Skype was
> discussed just now on this very list, and as for Kazaa... well, you
determine the ports
> and allow the traffic you see necessary to run through.
>
> This should be vaguely familiar if you are indeed running an ISP...
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Envoyé : 28 février 2006 12:19
> À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Objet : [isalist] RE: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Peer-to-Peer services like you list and full feature firewalls are
generally
> speaking mutually exclusive.
>
> Peer-to-Peer services are specifically designed to enable and promote the
> free exchange of information including information that should not be
> exchanged.
>
> In other words, Peer-to-Peer services have no place in an enterprise and
are
> considered malicious and undesired.
>
> John T
> eServices For You
>
> "Seek, and ye shall find!"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antonio Vasconcelos [mailto:antonio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:00 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > I need activate Peer-to-Peer Services (Kazaa, Skipe, etc ...) in my ISP
> > with ISA Server 2004. Someone can help me ?
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