Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004

Hey Jim, I am always off my rocker. So what is new?

;-)>

John T
eServices For You

"Seek, and ye shall find!"


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:45 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
> 
> Both of you are off in never-land.
> 
> 1. There are a number of ISPs using ISA - I can't say which (have to kill
the entire
> list), but they exist and yes; they're a mix of SecureNET and Web Proxy
> configurations
> 
> 2. There are no "moral" or "principle" issues with an ISP controlling the
traffic sent
> across *their* network.  You're leasing bandwidth and access rights which
are limited
> by the AUP you agreed to.
> 
> Don't like your ISP practices?  You are well within your rights to take
your business
> elsewhere, but *please* don't start spewing about morals or principles
when you're
> talking about ISP policies.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of
> John T (Lists)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:31 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
> 
> Alexandre, I think you read too much into his post.
> 
> 1. No ISP is going to be using a firewall, let alone ISA server, to have
> their client behind it. They use something much simpler called routers.
> 
> 2. If an ISP had a purpose to use a firewall, and ISA server at that, to
> protect their clients, that ISP is going to be extremely specialized
serving
> maybe schools or such in which case they would indeed want to block stuff.
> 
> 3. Yes, I read the non-english as first language in his post. Here, let me
> translate it for you into English: "I want to allow Kaaza and other such
> programs to and from my internet connection. Please tell me how to do
this."
> 
> 4. My point stands, the use of programs such as Kaaza and using firewalls
> such as ISA server are mutually exclusive based on their intended purpose
> and design.
> 
> John T
> eServices For You
> 
> "Seek, and ye shall find!"
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:43 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Yeah, that's good and all that, but he says he runs an ISP, I believe.
> >
> > English is also obviously not his first language, so I'd suggest cutting
> the guy some
> > slack.
> >
> > Some people here will bray and neigh all they want that ISP have a right
> to filter
> > content and should not give in to whatever request their customers may
> have, but I
> > for one will take my business elsewhere the day my ISP starts filtering
> the content I
> > can access. This is not China; it's a question of morals and principles
--
> and I believe
> > that access to information, even if that information is something I
> consider wrong, is a
> > inherent right to anyone. Freedom of speech also means letting someone
say
> > something you might not like. You're free to not listen if that insults
> you.
> >
> > Now, in order to be helpful, it would be a matter of creating protocol
> ports with
> > inbound/outbound connection definitions, and source/destination ports.
> Skype was
> > discussed just now on this very list, and as for Kazaa... well, you
> determine the ports
> > and allow the traffic you see necessary to run through.
> >
> > This should be vaguely familiar if you are indeed running an ISP...
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Envoyé : 28 février 2006 12:19
> > À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Objet : [isalist] RE: Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Peer-to-Peer services like you list and full feature firewalls are
> generally
> > speaking mutually exclusive.
> >
> > Peer-to-Peer services are specifically designed to enable and promote
the
> > free exchange of information including information that should not be
> > exchanged.
> >
> > In other words, Peer-to-Peer services have no place in an enterprise and
> are
> > considered malicious and undesired.
> >
> > John T
> > eServices For You
> >
> > "Seek, and ye shall find!"
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Antonio Vasconcelos [mailto:antonio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:00 AM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] Peer-to-Peer in ISA Server 2004
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > I need activate Peer-to-Peer Services (Kazaa, Skipe, etc ...) in my
ISP
> > > with ISA Server 2004. Someone can help me ?
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > > ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp
> > > ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites:
> > > http://www.techgenix.com
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as:
> > > johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To unsubscribe visit
http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp
> > ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites:
> > http://www.techgenix.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as:
> > gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp
> > ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites:
> > http://www.techgenix.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as:
> > johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp
> ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites:
> http://www.techgenix.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as:
> isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp
> ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites:
> http://www.techgenix.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as:
> johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist
> Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Other related posts: