[isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of polices issue
- From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:37:03 -0700
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Only two choices, then - ISAInfo or ISABPAPack.
There is a reason ISA is denying this traffic, but "why" is unavailable
outside your environment without these tools.
Make your choice and we can work from there.
-----Original Message-----
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:55 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of polices issue
Correct, I should have specified it was "Outbound".
On 5/16/07, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Protocols = TCP 57017
..is only part of the definition.
What is the primary connection; outbound or inbound?
Any secondary connections?
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[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:35 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of polices issue
No mention of HTTPS. Just TCP 57017. The parameters, as in the
properties of the policy? As simple as can be:
Order = 1
Action = Allow
Protocols = TCP 57017
From = Local Host
To = External (for testing purposes, otherwise would be
destination
Internet IP)
Users = All Users (default)
Schedule = Any tiiime (default)
Content Types = default
On 5/16/07, Amy Babinchak < amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto: amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > wrote:
https 57017? Are you serious? If so, that developer
should be
fired.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On
Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:29 PM
To: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of
polices issue
Add an https tunnel for that port and try it.......
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > ]
On
Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:42 PM
To: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of
polices issue
Thanks, Amy. I have created an all outbound rule to the
destination IP address and only see the connections to TCP 57017
denied
by the last rule (SBS Internet Access). Unfortunately I am being
challenged by:
* The software developer insists the software must run
on the
server; which happens to be SBS 2003 Prem.
* The software developer (at this point) will not go
beyond
stating that TCP 57017 is the only necessary network traffic to
be
permitted
* The software is key this business and there really
aren't many
alternatives
* The software runs on the SBS server which is also the
ISA
server (which should still be possible to figure out)
* ISA monitoring is not providing me anymore detail
other than
the denied TCP 57017 connection; although I will run another
test
* The software does not have any network settings or
pseudo /
non-compatible CERN Web proxy settings
* The all Outbound rule you suggested did not work;
although I
will run another test
* The software worked before the ISA firewall was
installed
because they simply had NAT router without true firewall
functionality
Cheers,
...D
On 5/15/07, Amy Babinchak
<amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Danny,
The order of your policies is not being ignored. Isa
will read
them top down. Since you're hitting the SBS Internet Access rule
this
means that the traffic does not apply to the rule that you have
created.
When that's the case, ISA moves on down checks the next rule.
Finally it
reaches the SBS Internet Access Rule and since there's no
authentication
it is denied.
So, as I said before, the rule isn't configured
correctly. You
need to find out what that apps wants and the configure your
rule
accordingly or take my suggestion and set up a rule allowing all
outbound to that specific IP address.
Amy
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > ]
On
Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:07 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order of
polices issue
Jim,
I appreciate your educational tidbits, but when you are
dealing
with humans and software sometimes assumptions are inevitable.
In fact,
it is clear that you are not immune to making assumptions.
1) By stating the obvious that "Assumptions get you
nowhere",
you assume that assuming is my favorite activity and always gets
me
positive results
2) By providing a WSUS and AU 101, you assume that I did
not
understand the difference between a WSUS client and an
Internet-based
Automatic Update client, did not read the KB's, was not the one
who
installed WSUS, and have no clue
3) By challenging my knowledge of who Amy is, you assume
that I
had no idea who Amy is and didn't care. First of all, where did
I not
show respect to Amy? Secondly, do you want all ISA list posts to
begin
with "Yes, I know who Amy is, so um don't ask me"?
Anyway, yes, I did bring up some Microsoft pain points
and I
will respond to any further responses offline. As you know this
list has
been very flexible with OT posts, so my addition is nothing to
call home
about.
Re: cutting off the thread, I would say 70% of the reply
content
is redundant and has no value in the conversation. The archives
should
be stored by threaded conversation, but I will respond in the
format you
request.
I will analyze the ISAINFO output, but for future
reference, can
you please direct me to documentation that will explain why the
order of
polices is being ignored OR why I would not see all denied
traffic in
the ISA 2004 SP2 monitoring default state (Log record type =
Firewall or
Web Proxy & Log time = LiveConnection Status = live)?
Thanks,
...D
On 5/15/07, Jim Harrison < Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Assumptions get you nowhere.
You brought up the plethora of pain-points -
expect
someone to answer
them.
WSUS and the Internet-based updates process
works very
differently,
because the WSUS server determines for the
client what
is required and
what is not. Amy has a clue (several,
actually); this
is a rare
commodity in the SBS community and you should
feel free
to take
advantage of it when it appears.
Also, please stop cutting off the thread. It
makes
archive searches
very nearly meaningless.
Regarding the "custom app", the log snips you
provide
clearly indicate
that your rule is not being applied, since the
denying
rule is quoted as
"SBS Internet Access Rule".
The best way to express your ISA policies is to
use
ISAInfo.
You can respond offline if you like.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:53 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: 0x800733f5 error & order
of
polices issue
On 5/15/07, Amy Babinchak <
amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Your rule must not be configured
correctly. What
does your
custom rule look like? The only reason that the
SBS
Internet Access Rule
would deny anything outbound is if the app isn't
authenticating. It's
not uncommon. My bet is that the app doesn't
only
require that specific
TCP high port but a range of them. I'd base the
rule on
the IP address
it's trying to reach instead.
The policy is: Custom Protcol TCP 57017
Outbound, from
Local Host, to
External, All Users.
Warning the following section is OT:
Yes, the SVCHOST issue is a nuisance.
The
screeching is loud on
the mailing lists. It took me a while to figure
out what
everyone was
complaining about then I realized that I use
WSUS
everywhere. Implement
WSUS you'll be much happier.
You imply that WSUS clients are immune to this?
Most of
our affected
systems are part of WSUS installs. My
understanding is
the Automatic
Update service (aka part of svchost.exe) scans
the same
way a non-WSUS
client does, therefore they are both affected.
Sorry for bringing this OT item into the
conversation,
but the last two
months in particular have been difficult to
support
Microsoft
environments when dealing with DNS RPC mgmt
vulnerability, ISA 2004 SP3
install woes, a publicly unavailable (two hours
MS PSS
phone call) KB
for restoring the ability to publish Outlook
forms to
the Organizational
Forms Library in Exchange, and this AU/svchost
issue -
but looks like
there is a follow-up:
http://blogs.technet.com/wsus/archive/2007/05/15/srvhost-msi-issue-follo
w-up.aspx
Anyway, can we focus on what I am doing wrong
with this
ISA issue, that
would be much appreciated.
...D
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