Careful, that's not microvia / HDI !!! You'll likely need to plug those drills prior to plating to prevent soldering issues. There are loads of fabricators around who can fabricate your design - I'd recommend looking for one who has true HDI capabilities. You'll likely find that they'll provide you with all the technical parameters you need for your design .. Very similar to the IPC specs. Hth, Dave Schaefer dave.schaefer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sjchar3@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:33 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: micro vias or thin traces Thanks for the response from everyone. We found a board house who will drill 12 mil pads with 8 mil drill and it will be via in pad technology. Sam -----Original Message----- From: westfeldt <westfeldt_nbcd@xxxxxxxxx> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:15:58 -0700 Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: micro vias or thin traces I have done a few of these, but never without microvias. 5 mil laser drills. pads anywhere from 10 to 13 mils. Patrick Westfeldt, Jr. 720-406-0887 _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sjchar3@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:55 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] micro vias or thin traces questions i asked our board house, but i didn't get a response. I ordered the IPC book but it hasn't arrived. Getting desperated. Right now i need to know if board houses can do 2.6 mil traces. I'm trying to lay-out a board using a .5mm pitch BGA. The pads are .012 mils which leaves about .008 mils of space between pads. We are using the two outside row so we could do this without vias, but that would mean 2.6 mil trace with 2.6 mil space from pads. I would like to know what kind of technology we can apply to this dense package. If i can't use traces i will use 12 mil pad with 8 mil drill, is this possible? Can your shop do micro via's? If so, can i get dimensions to use for creating pads. Thanks for any input. _____ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com _____ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com