David, So this is 16.3 and with HDI padstacks defined? I can run simple test or two, with my vendor to see if it comes across. And lets ask Cadence if the ODB++ inside translator recognizes this coming out of Allegro... Randy > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:31:40 -0500 > From: Gary.Carter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers) > > David, > > I'm intrigued by this response. Can you elaborate a bit? We implemented > Valor Enterprise 3000 more than 10 years ago. At the time we found it to > be weak in managing drill information and had to build quite a bit of > custom code to manage it effectively. More recently, as we implemented > Backdrill (using CopperCAD skill routines) and HDI in our designs, we > had to pass additional data to describe the HDI and Backdrill > constructs. In summary, all of our drawings and data are included inside > the ODB++ zip, but pieces of it are generated by external tools or > scripts, not Enterprise 3000. > > I'm wondering if recent releases of Valor Enterprise have added > capability, especially where drill data is concerned, that would allow > us to retire some of this custom code and external process. > > Regards, > > Gary Carter > Sr. Manager, Design Automation > Fujitsu Network Commuications, Inc. > Richardson, Texas > (972) 479-2236 > > Hutchins, David J wrote: > > > > Hi Randy, > > > > ODB++ handles the HDI drill structures correctly (IMHO) > > > > We have been using custom skill code for adding back-drill vias for 8+ > > years ( before Cadence added their limited back-drill capability ) & > > Valor translates those drill structures correctly… > > > > *From:* icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Randy Dawson > > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 6:06 PM > > *To:* icu-pcb-forum > > *Subject:* [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers) > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > Still in Ft. Collins? > > > > I sent ODB++ to my board shop, Prototron while I was at Micron, a few > > hundred PCBs. And I concur with Oscar, ODB is a good measure of the > > capabilities of a board shop. (and their financial strength, the V in > > Valor stands for Very Expensive) > > > > Related question does an ODB++ dataset have the intelligence for > > blind, buried and backdrilling? > > > > If we set up the padstacks for HDI technology, is ODB++ suficient or > > do we still need to split out separate drill files? > > > > Randy Dawson > > Tektronix > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:30:11 -0700 > > From: o.miguelino@xxxxxxxxx > > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers) > > > > I have been supplying ODB++ to suppliers in Asia, Europe, and US for > > over a year now. Anyway I have found that quality suppliers support > > ODB++ and the bad ones do not. > > > > Best regards, > > > > -oscar > > > > Oscar Miguelino > > HP | Palm GBU | PSG > > 950 W Maude Ave | Sunnyvale | CA 94085 > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail and its contents contain > > information that is proprietary and confidential to Palm, Inc. and > > that may also be privileged. Any review, use, disclosure, distribution > > or reproduction of this email or its contents by anyone other than an > > authorized recipient is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not > > an authorized recipient, please immediately notify me, permanently > > delete this message from your system and destroy any copies thereof, > > including any attachments. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my Palm Pre > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM, jwages <jwages@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I use both types. It is always good to have gerbers for comparison to > > the ODB++ files. > > > > */Jim S. Wages/* > > > > */SR PCB Layout Designer/* > > > > H) 919-237-3915 C) 919-484-2963 > > > > *From:* icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Macindoe, Gary > > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 6:27 PM > > *To:* icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > *Subject:* [PCB_FORUM] ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers) > > > > Hey guys, > > > > Has anyone been supplying only the *.tgz file (instead of gerbers, > > drill, ipc etc.) to the Fab house? > > > > If you have, have you run into any issues (besides a Fab house unable > > or unwilling to use only the *.tgz file)? > > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > Regards, > > > > * * > > > > *Gary MacIndoe* > > > > Senior PCB Layout Designer > > > > Contract - Kelly Services > > > > Covidien > > > > EbD R&D > > > > 5920 Longbow Drive > > > > Boulder, CO 80301 > > > > 303.476.7458 > > > > www.covidien.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. 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