[PCB_FORUM] Re: New www.cdnusers.org forum - suggestions (was -Re: Don't shut this blah blah
- From: William Gerner - Sun Microsystems <William.Gerner@xxxxxxx>
- To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:20:32 -0500
Hi Mike,
For me, the current forum is just more (useful) email, I use the same
tools I use to communicate with my co-workers and I use them in the same
way. I never go to the web to look through archives or for anything else
related to this forum. I expect there are probably many other users like
me. It's hard to see how the changes that have been proposed, can make
this better for users like me. Instead, what I anticipate is a struggle
to get back to the simplicity I have today, with no guarantee of success.
For what it's worth, I don't believe resistance to change is general
human nature. We wouldn't be communicating using computers/email if that
was the case. I do believe that people resist anything that seems to
complicate their lives with no apparent (obvious) value-add.
Regards,
Bill
Austin Franklin wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thank you very much for that clarification. I believed this was a Cadence
> "sponsored" transition, but it appears from what you say that you guys, not
> Cadence, are the catalyst for this. The thing that has caused trouble, was
> to not ask the list what they wanted.
>
> But again, the real issue here is what problem is trying to be solved. The
> one thing that you say is "my only goal is to improve communication between
> users that are on this list as well as some that do not know we even exist".
> I appreciate that goal. But, there are many different ways to accomplish
> that, and I'm not sure that this proposed "transition" is the better way.
> Again, discussion of this beforehand might have given people better insight
> on all accounts.
>
> I also know that an email list and even a forum, are not a democracy. If
> the list owner wants to terminate/move the list, that is his/her decision.
> If s/he wants to discuss it with the members, that is solely at the owner's
> discretion. But, if one wants to run a successful "community" the members
> considerations have to be taken into account, or you run the risk of having
> no members.
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
>
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>>Michael.Catrambone@xxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:16 AM
>>To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: New www.cdnusers.org forum - suggestions (was
>>-Re: Don't shut this blah blah
>>Importance: High
>>
>>
>>
>>Austin,
>>
>>I wasn't going to send a reply to this nor do I believe you
>>or anyone else is expecting one, anyway I will provide my
>>two cents.
>>
>>There has been a lot of conversations on the PCB forum
>>surrounding this transition and believe me I agree with
>>alot that has been stated but there is some comments
>>which I don't agree with. I personally have been working
>>with Cadence over the past year to provide feedback on
>>how we can improve the web site and forums on cdnusers.org
>>and they have been very accommodating.
>>
>> I am a user of Cadence Tools just like the rest of you and
>>my only goal is to improve communication between users
>>that are on this list as well as some that do not know we
>>even exist. I do not have an hidden agenda nor does the
>>Carl, Randy and Charlie which decided that it was best to
>>transition to the cdnusers.org forums. I would add Andreas
>>to this list but it is clear he is no longer backing this transition
>>but was included with the discussions and decision.
>>
>>For folks that have know me for a long time know that I am
>>only out for the good of the user community and nothing
>>more.. To be perfectly clear Cadence had nothing to do
>>with this transition except that have a web site that the web site
>>can support forums and has a much cleaner/flexible web
>>interface that Freelist.org can only dream of having.
>>Cadence suggested that we think about moving the PCB Forum
>>over to cdnusers.org - it was not mandated.
>>
>>I may not be the owner of the PCB Forum but I am one of the
>>founders that has been here supporting this list since the
>>beginning when we only had a small group of users that attended
>>the ICU. We started out on cadenceusers.org then moved to
>>Topica.com and now Freelists.org. My only regret is that during
>>the transition to Freelists.org I should of remained the owner
>>of the list because it appears my voice has no weight to some
>>people due to that fact.
>>
>>I have and will continue to forward everyone's requests/comments
>>to Cadence on how we can improve the cdnusers.org web site
>>and forums to try to address the issues. I will send out updates
>>on the issues so it is not assumed that they went directly to my
>>trash can.
>>
>>Thanks for listening,
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>@freelists.org on 03/09/2006
>>06:33:38 AM
>>
>>Please respond to icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>cc:
>>Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: New www.cdnusers.org forum -
>>suggestions (was
>> -Re: Don't shut this blah blah
>>
>>
>>Hi Richard,
>>
>>
>>>First, please read my posting about "resistance to change".
>>
>>It is human nature to resist change, but change in and of it self is not
>>necessarily good, or bad. From what I can tell, this is not a change that
>>is solving any issues/problem with this list, so I see no rational reason
>>for changing. It appears that this change was made to satisfy an agenda
>>which is not necessarily coincident with the members of this list.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Austin
>>
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