[haiku] Re: openzfs announcement
- From: Jerry Babione <jerry.babione@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:56:17 -0500
Ryan's right. BFS was very far ahead of it's time. It's time to make such a
leap once again to a "BFS2" which is above and beyond what's out there.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Ozfer <trap380@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't mean to be negative or anything but lets try to get compatibility
> with all major formats first such as fat, fat32, EXfat, NTFS, EXT2,3,4
> before adding in odd-ball file systems. As it is no other operating systems
> can communicate with BFS other then linux with really outdated drivers... I
> don't think you should get rid of BFS because it's what really makes Haiku,
> Haiku and that's part of how it's still related to BEos.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Neil Munro <neilmunro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Please excuse any ignorance on my part I confess I'm not much of an
>> expert on Haiku (I was a bit too young for BeOS the first time) but isn't
>> part of what makes Haiku/BeOS what it is, the file system? I love being
>> able to save a query as a desktop folder, does that power not come from the
>> file system supporting attributes and such?
>>
>> Wouldn't transitioning to ZFS either a) loose some of that or b) require
>> a LOT of non-mainline ZFS work to allow for feature comparison? Assume I
>> know very little on this subject, though would genuinely appreciate being
>> corrected if wrong, does ZFS supports all this?
>>
>> Neil Munro
>>
>>
>> On 20 September 2013 16:38, John Scipione <jscipione@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ryan Leavengood <leavengood@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Neil Munro <neilmunro@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Speaking as a lurker, occasionally murmuring at various things, I'd
>>> rather
>>> >> see the effort put into package management, multi-user support, Web
>>> Positive
>>> >> work, and R1, you know, the basics done, before then by all means
>>> support as
>>> >> many file systems as you like.
>>> >
>>> > I think most of the Haiku contributors who actually want to use Haiku
>>> > as their main OS would completely agree with you, so don't worry.
>>>
>>> There was a GSoC 2011 project to port ZFS to Haiku. Anybody who is
>>> interested in openzfs should probably look at it.
>>> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/generalmaximus
>>>
>>> > Though I think what will make sense for Haiku in the future when it
>>> > comes to file systems is making BFS2, and borrowing the good ideas
>>> > from other modern file systems, while still keeping the spirit of BeOS
>>> > and Haiku that BFS represents.
>>>
>>> Well... maybe.
>>>
>>> There are surely a few annoyances and missing features (e.g. hard link
>>> support) in the current BFS code that we'd like to correct in R2
>>> making a BFS2 for that release but I wouldn't expect it to be a major
>>> departure from where we're at now. It's probably not worth it, and not
>>> advisable, to try and bolt ZFS's feature set onto BFS either.
>>>
>>> A ZFS port is a probably a better way to go long term. From what I
>>> understand from the FreeBSD port, adding ZFS filesystem support would
>>> not be like adding another file system such as NTFS or FAT, it is
>>> going to require a lot of infrastructure to be built to do error
>>> reporting and recovery. It would almost certainly have to be something
>>> that was agreed on and would need to draw on the support of the
>>> existing developers to be done properly.
>>>
>>> As far as priorities go, this is definitely an R2 feature, possibly R3
>>> even, and certainly after improvements to the package management and
>>> Web Positive from the perspective of Haiku, Inc. but, like was already
>>> said, if somebody wants to work on this there is nothing to stop them,
>>> and we wouldn't turn down working code.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Jerry Babione
Founder-Just Plain Folks Org. Inc.
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