[haiku] Re: openzfs announcement
- From: Ozfer <trap380@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:48:03 -0400
I don't mean to be negative or anything but lets try to get compatibility
with all major formats first such as fat, fat32, EXfat, NTFS, EXT2,3,4
before adding in odd-ball file systems. As it is no other operating systems
can communicate with BFS other then linux with really outdated drivers... I
don't think you should get rid of BFS because it's what really makes Haiku,
Haiku and that's part of how it's still related to BEos.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Neil Munro <neilmunro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Please excuse any ignorance on my part I confess I'm not much of an expert
> on Haiku (I was a bit too young for BeOS the first time) but isn't part of
> what makes Haiku/BeOS what it is, the file system? I love being able to
> save a query as a desktop folder, does that power not come from the file
> system supporting attributes and such?
>
> Wouldn't transitioning to ZFS either a) loose some of that or b) require a
> LOT of non-mainline ZFS work to allow for feature comparison? Assume I know
> very little on this subject, though would genuinely appreciate being
> corrected if wrong, does ZFS supports all this?
>
> Neil Munro
>
>
> On 20 September 2013 16:38, John Scipione <jscipione@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ryan Leavengood <leavengood@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Neil Munro <neilmunro@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Speaking as a lurker, occasionally murmuring at various things, I'd
>> rather
>> >> see the effort put into package management, multi-user support, Web
>> Positive
>> >> work, and R1, you know, the basics done, before then by all means
>> support as
>> >> many file systems as you like.
>> >
>> > I think most of the Haiku contributors who actually want to use Haiku
>> > as their main OS would completely agree with you, so don't worry.
>>
>> There was a GSoC 2011 project to port ZFS to Haiku. Anybody who is
>> interested in openzfs should probably look at it.
>> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/generalmaximus
>>
>> > Though I think what will make sense for Haiku in the future when it
>> > comes to file systems is making BFS2, and borrowing the good ideas
>> > from other modern file systems, while still keeping the spirit of BeOS
>> > and Haiku that BFS represents.
>>
>> Well... maybe.
>>
>> There are surely a few annoyances and missing features (e.g. hard link
>> support) in the current BFS code that we'd like to correct in R2
>> making a BFS2 for that release but I wouldn't expect it to be a major
>> departure from where we're at now. It's probably not worth it, and not
>> advisable, to try and bolt ZFS's feature set onto BFS either.
>>
>> A ZFS port is a probably a better way to go long term. From what I
>> understand from the FreeBSD port, adding ZFS filesystem support would
>> not be like adding another file system such as NTFS or FAT, it is
>> going to require a lot of infrastructure to be built to do error
>> reporting and recovery. It would almost certainly have to be something
>> that was agreed on and would need to draw on the support of the
>> existing developers to be done properly.
>>
>> As far as priorities go, this is definitely an R2 feature, possibly R3
>> even, and certainly after improvements to the package management and
>> Web Positive from the perspective of Haiku, Inc. but, like was already
>> said, if somebody wants to work on this there is nothing to stop them,
>> and we wouldn't turn down working code.
>>
>>
>
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