> Hate to say it, 'cause folks have wanted this for a long time, but it'll > have to wait until R2. =( Eric, I know you lead the interface-team, so you surely have your reasons for that, but I really would think again about that issue, before we produce ugly coordinate-code. I think I never wrote for the plain Be-GUI, always used liblayout, and never looked back. OTOH, writing a layout-lib is not a 1-day-task, so you're right that it would cost us time we don't really have. However, if Marco changed his license and donated the source to us, we could use liblayout in OBOS and our GUI-trouble would be *GONE*, *without* wasting time to write a new layout-lib or to write pseudo-font-sensitive code. Then, in R2, we could improve liblayout to give the designer more control over the placement, layout etc. *If* that fails, I'd honestly forget about font-sensitivity for now alltogether, and write a GUI that has enough space for 12pt-fonts. Later, the hard-coded coords could be replaced with decent layout-views. Code long and prosper:) Gregor (Hugh) -- Gregor B. Rosenauer Student of Computer Science and New Media Engineering Vienna, Austria http://www.hugh.at.tf