[geocentrism] Re: polar orbits.
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:19:53 +1000
yes... I accepted that as your meaning... Hardto visualise these thought
words isn't it... Before Babel, WOW.. No Internet needed....
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Shelton
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: polar orbits.
Change the sentence below "Only if the earth were rotating would you be
expecting it to move, seems to me." to read "Only if the earth were rotating
would you be expecting it NOT to move, seems to me."
Oops,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:38 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: polar orbits.
> Philip,
>
> Is "Twiddle twaddle" an official Aussie word?
>
> ha.
>
> Anyway, the main nit-pick wasn't about the term "geostationary" though
that
> is what you say you meant. But rather about the "it" in your question,
> 'What stopped it?' I thought you were referring to the orbit itself, but
> you meant the satellite I see.
>
> That's great, but it brings up another question back at you. If in your
> mental exercise the satellite was doing a polar route and then we "nudged"
> the thing 90 degrees to make it a geostationary/equatorial orbit, you ask
> 'What stopped it?'.
>
> I'm a bit mixed up, perhaps, but I think this is the wrong question. You
> wrote,
>
> "It is no longer moving..... That is if the earth is indeed
stationary...."
>
> But, Philip, if the earth is indeed still as we all hold to here, then
that
> would cause the thing to streak across the sky, I would imagine...not
stop.
> Only if the earth were rotating would you be expecting it to move, seems
to
> me.
>
> I also want to throw in again a question that has raised its head here
> before. Can they get these birds to orbit westwardly? That would be
> interesting in itself, I feel.
>
> In any case, in your mental exercise I should think we would see your
> satellite either doing, or not doing, figure 8's as it passed through the
> geosynchronous region of orbits well before the question of what happens
to
> it once it reaches the Equator, yes?
>
> I wish I had the geo answer for the figure 8 issue.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gary Shelton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:02 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] polar orbits.
>
>
> > What
> > "it" are you referring to, exactly? The orbit? I assume this, and that
> you
> > mean that once you have "nudged" the polar orbit, what causes the orbit
to
> > stop in a geosynchronous (did you mean geostationary here?) orbit around
> the
> > equator. Gary..
> > Ok Gary. Let me clarify my word usage. Remember this is just a mental
> exercise.
> >
> > Orbit is a track... Satellite is an object that follows this track .. A
> geostationary satellite is one that is on an equatorial orbit, and because
> of its speed is synchronised radially with the alleged rotation of the
earth
> and thus appears to be stationary. (so I make geostationary and geo
> synchronous the same thing...Lets not twiddle twaddle over it)
> >
> > If the earth is stationary, then so also must be the satellite... not
> moving in any manner. So let me start again. Pretend the earth is a
perfect
> sphere to avoid complications...near enough.
> >
> > We launch a rocket from spot on the north pole to put it in an orbit
> "vertically" or longitudinally around the earth . It will cover both
> poles... We give it the exact same period, velocity and height that the
> equatorial orbit has for a synchronous satellite. ...
> >
> > Let the earth be stationary. Thus this orbit will track over the same
> longitude circumnavigating the globe every 24 hours. If the earth is
> rotating, this will show up as an oblique 45 degree scan across the
> longitudes. Some will say: There is your proof. However, Rob will
introduce
> his plenum, and say not proven...
> >
> > I believe there may be no need for The plenum. The polar orbit may just
> show a still earth. After all It has never been done. It cannot be done
from
> California, because all their calculatons are based upon their belief
> system. of a rotating earth for which they will compensate.
> >
> > Back to your question. We know that the calculations for a given body
> rotating in orbit at 22000 miles etc do produce a 24 hour circumnavigation
> of the earth, which the polar launch will prove . And from the earth we
> will SEE it scooting by N to South etc, every day.
> >
> > My question was ....If the earth is not rotating, and we tip this
> satellite and its orbit (track) over 90 degrees, into a perfect equatorial
> plane, it will suddenly be seen to have stopped and have assumed a
> stationary position in the sky. It is no longer moving..... That is if the
> earth is indeed stationary.... What stopped it.
> >
> > Can you not see how easy it is for the HC people to say "Obviously, it
> hasn't stopped... The earth is moving in synch with it....""" And thus
why
> Neville does not want to accept their existence....But they do exist.. Any
> one with basic antenna knowledge will prove this.. Radio waves ,
especially
> in the high Gigahertz range, behave like light. and a dish is like a
> telescope, a radio telescope.
> >
> > The perfect polar launch should prove for or against us. If aganst,
then
> we will really need Roberts plenum theory... and I like it.... even though
I
> do not quite understand it yet... We have much more to discuss yet Robert.
> The Washing machine is not good enough.....
> >
> > Philip.
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
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