Aussie, yes, and I should have been mpre specific of the aims of different creation scientists.. I have met some wo believe in biblical evolution... of creation Re the others proving a young earth, they look to unexplained missing geology, like sand in the gulf of Mexico for the grand Canyon, and I do not deny God might have left some signs for stumbling block of science... But I don't thinkso as this would be a form of deceit. .. and take away the need for faith in his word, not science. I'm sure, just as the trees in the garden had age rings, so would the entire earth.. The sand will be somewhere, and the pebbles.. Interesting science though is the argument against traditional aging of the fossils. and the flood... and geological layers... Yet once again, given the rings in the trees, why not a million year old fossil or two. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cheryl B. To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: irrelevancy of creation science. Philip -- I admire your steadfast faith in Scripture. I don't think the Creation Scientists like ICR, AiG, Kent Hovind and the rest of them believe in any evolution whatever. In fact I know they don't. They believe in a young earth, say 6,000 years old, and that every living creature was created in an instant, fully grown and complete. They are trying to debunk the evolutionists the way we are trying to debunk the helios. The only problem with the Creationists is that they treat the geocentrists as orphan outcasts, kind of like the way Right to Life treats the prolife street activists like Missionaries to the Preborn and other more activist prolifers. Bible says love of money is the root of all evil, and after awhile ministries and "movements" take on a life of their own, become money-making ventures that must be preserved for that purpose, making money -- and the original mission gets forgotten or even opposed lest it result in the business not being "needed" anymore. BTW -- Are you an Australian? Respectfully, Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <creation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: [geocentrism] irrelevancy of creation science. > The creationists believe that if 'C' decayed then so > did radioactive decay also decay and this would make rocks younger. > Jack > a copy to creation, because this is their cup of tea. > > This question is irrelevant. Creation science is a contradiction in terms. I repeat what I have said everywhere so often. > > When Adam was created, he was a young man, what , say 18 years old, and we know that creation scientists examining him would certify that he was 18.years old. > > We know that when Adam walked upon the earth in the garden, and waded in the river, creation scientists examining this river would declare it geologically as being millions of years old, yet we know that it is no more than a few weeks old... > > Likewise the tall cedars... in the forest.. Real annular rings showing the seasons......according to as God willed they would have had. > > Creation science is a contradiction in terms... God Created a geologically old world, instantly, perhaps a day, for our intellectual inferiority to accept. > > For so called Christians to say that God used controlled physical evolution over aeons, to produce this universe, is a denial of His infinite power. > > What next, some natural scientific explanation for rhe ressurection of Jesus? Its already coming. watch for it. > > Philip. >