Allen, with all that outburst, you did not answer the main point of Regners that I understood. Eh, - and how would you measure a constant velocity (is part of your "any motion") with an accelerometer or a gyroscope, for that matter? - Regner Philip. PS What is meant by absolute motion? I would rather discuss the absence of ANY motion.. Would you call that Absolute stillness? ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs Regner, Laser Gyroscopes can measure both ordination as well as acceleration...You really should read up on MM MG and the sagnac effect and a few others. Those experiments were performed to do just that to see if we could and then others later to test all of the hair brain ideas out there why it was actually something other then what they showed.???? We do it all the time in ICBMs & Cruise missiles and GPS Also suggest you ref Ron Hatch....he developed the "Hatch filter" for all GPS systems (so they would stay in time with each other) .... ..as for inertial ref frames, there is never been any demonstration that such monsters even exist except in theory that demands them in order to assault the very thing that the experiments show...and what is in question Here. Light is not isotropic and there is such a thing as absolute motion with respect to whatever medium(s) that light traverses ........ Absolute motion was and is the whole point of MM MG , saganac and others.............to prove or disprove the assertion that absolute motion can be measured. They found plenty of motion just not the motion they expected....sidereal but no orbital motion ..ummmmm......so Eienstein invented STR to Explain it all.....but that was shown false later by saganc in 1913...as well as others......Your whole position is built on a circular fallacy of theories that make your assertions but our assertions are the only thing that demand the theory in the first place ...whatʼs worse everything else is just chalked up to "Anomalies"......funny all those observations and experimentations make perfect coherent sense with a stationary earth..ummmmm................. Absolute motion can be detected, STR asserts that it cannot.............. but 1. it is entirely inconsistent with all the observations with electrodynamics... 2. it has not only never been shown true but has at every turn shown to be false..... Allen ----- Original Message ---- From: Regner Trampedach <art@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:56:05 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs Allen Daves wrote: It is one kind...sure..but not the only kind.... laser gyroscopes& accelerometers.....are my favorites.....they need no ref external of them selvs to show motion any motion free fall or not in any grav field.... Sorry, Allen, but quantum or not, a gyroscope measures change of orientation and accelerometers measure accelerations - those accelerations can only be with respect to an inertial frame. Both a free-floating, constant (but any) velocity frame and one free-falling in a gravitational field are inertial frames. That has been confirmed by observations over and over again. Ask the crew on the International Space Station, for example. Eh, - and how would you measure a constant velocity (is part of your "any motion") with an accelerometer or a gyroscope, for that matter? - Regner ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:21:11 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs Allen D ref your post -- allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Wed Jan 30 18:55:19 2008 Does this meet your definition of a quantem accelerometer? Quantum accelerometer - Title:Quantum tunneling cantilever accelerometer Document Type and Number:United States Patent 4638669 Link to this page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4638669.html Paul D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 12/03/2008 1:27 PM