Paul....me in blue... if the breaking force ..my insert..GRAVITY in the case of a orbiting earth...was applied to every molecule of the vehicle including you, then I concieve no effect to be "felt" That might be true for a human being but ......NO.........You see MS conciders inertia and gravity effetively one in the same thing. There is no difference between them only perspective. In fact Einstein declared their equivalence in 1921 at Princeton University. 'The possibility, of explaining the numerical equality of inertia and gravitation by the unity of their nature gives to the general theory of relativity, according to my conviction, such a superiority over the conceptions of classical mechanics, that all the difficulties encountered must be considered as small in comparisonn" The Relativity Explosion, New York: Vintage Books, 1976, p. 83 Thus a change in gravitational feilds is equivicated to a change in inertia...Gravity itself becomes/ defines a inertial a ref frame........problem is inertial velocity is and can be measured via acelerometers using quantum states which do not conform to gravity as things do at larger scales and some differences where there should not be and none where there should.....ie MM, MG sagnac gyroscopes... .......As the earth orbits the sun the grav changes supposedly conform to newtons inverse square law which describes a change in gravity which also describes the acceleration of gravitaional bodies to eachother (inertia). The only thing that is needed to measure any change in inertia is to measure a change in gravity...every heard of gravitymaps?.....The calcs show that is is a measurable quantity (change in inertia= change in gravity) but no one has ever measured it...ummmmmm....That is why Regner appealed to the equivlince principle of inertial frames but that will not work either for the reasons i gave already but am ready to expound upon thoes further......The Gravitaional pull of the sun affects the pull on the earth and every object on it but just just as in the case of some elevators you cannot feel the motion of the elevator itself but you can "detect" via intrimentaion a change in gravity/ that you weigh less (Inerta) when you move toward the center of gravity (down toward earth) or in this case free fall "down" toward the sun and visa versa......... (ie a scale that is undergoing the same inertail/gravity changes in the elevator as you are can still detect the change in gravity.......... accelerometers use things such as light and quantum states to measure inertial/ gravitational changes. ) The earth and everything on it should weigh less as we move away and more as we get closer by a factor of "Remember that (in HC) the direction of the velocity has also changed over the 6 months and the velocities in the two instances will be exactly opposite. We can get a rough estimate of that acceleration by just adding the two velocities in Eq. (2), since a-(-b) = a+b, to get: (4) (30.29e5 cm/s + 29.29e5 cm/s) / (year/2d0) = 0.3776 cm/s2 which is then 2595 times smaller than g. Absolutely measurable, but it wouldn't exactly knock you over. " ..................The gravitiaonl feild itself is the default ref fame by which inertia is measured, that is why Regner used the gravity feild to compare the earth's acceleration/ deceleration changes to.... Whether or not you as a person can "feel it" the point is it is measurable except for his objections which we are getting to....... ..............Nice try though........... :-) ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:09:30 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs Philip M, Allen D Philip -- bang on! Allen -- do you accept Philip's (and my) view? If not, why not? Paul D From Philip M re Alan and Regners figures. On this business of "feeling" acceleration, whilst I do not pretend to having had enough interest in checking the figures, I still reason that its a matter of how forces are applied, as to whether you feel anything. In a suddenly braking car you get flung forward... because the force is at the wheels.. But if the breaking force was applied to every molecule of the vehicle including you, then I concieve no effect to be "felt" Philip. From Allen D Assume for the sake of argument that your body could not detect that change rate, current instrumentation however (acelerometers) are able to detect that amount of inertial change to almost infinite amounts, and they are not "aetheraly" depemdent). Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now.