I understand how mind control programmes like Star Trek and stargate sg1 etc can distort the reality of a small universe. God created the stars and named them all for a reason not just for pretty lights in the sky. Obviously Satan has twisted these names to hide their true meanings via astronomy and astrology. I feel that what we can see with the naked eye is all there is to see and your theory on the size of the universe Dr Neville Jones make perfect sense to me. I have always thought that the Mazzaroth (12 signs) are the edge of this physical universe and we are right in the middle of the circle. I must confess though I'm still trying to get my head around everything going around us including the stars so you will have to be patient with me until the Holy Spirit gives me revelation on this. Dan. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!