I feel that what we can see with the naked eye is all there is to see and your theory on the size of the universe Dr Neville Jones make perfect sense to me. Well Dan as far as I can see you do not make common sense. The eye is easily deceived. and as far as distance of an aobject is concerned pray tell me how the eye can decern it. Neville is up to the principles of light and perception of the eye, perhaps he could show you the angular limitations on two eyes for stereo vision to establish distance... I cannot even tell the distance accurately or even roughly how far a thing is from me in my own back yard. Don't worry Dan. I love you as a brother, and I welcome your input. We need every idea . Ask me privately about little daisies and tall cedars and you will get what I mean. Philip.