I have a light bulb that is so dim the room gets darker when you switch it on! Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Steven Allens problem Phillip, currently, no-one on Earth can give you an accurate model predicting the orbit of the moon without the use of "look-up" tables which are all geocentric based. No need to attack Allan in this way. He's a bright cookie! Like a light bulb with the power off. Very hard to read by. Steven.