[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick & Dan
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:41:23 +1000
Thanks Robert. I missed the horses bit. lol.
Points taken, but I meant by punishment Hell, not suffering, which I do indeed
see as a gift. .
"the children of the righteous were blessed to the 1000th generation. "
I've often thought that was my excuse for seeing the light!
Never did think it was fair though. , but then His ways are not my ways.
Philip.
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From: Robert Bennett
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:09 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick & Dan
. Lover of horses,
Thank you for your attention. I want to thank Neville as well for allowing
this debate, and also for allowing the new HTML format. I only regret this was
not available for our scientific geocentric cosmology discusions.
Someone made a sharp left turn somewhere - this now seems more like religious
eccentric theology discussions.
Philip.
# Contra-indication: If I allowed my flights of fancy I would doubt that
statement. From historical/Biblical evidence, God does indeed curse and punish
the descendents who cannot be personally responsible .. Children are indeed
punished for the sins of the parents. A mystery??
Is there a greater mystery than the Son of God made man?
The various verses say " He renders (or visits) the sins (or iniquities) of
the fathers upon their children to the 3rd and 4th generation"(from the
unapproved DR). I read this as temptation of the children to the same types of
sin as their fathers. But you say it means punishment. What does the
Magisterium say?
It is also written: the children of the righteous were blessed to the 1000th
generation.
Don't the last words of Jesus, forgiving "them", mark the perfection and
completion of the OT law by establishing the NT's golden rule: Love of God and
fellow man ?
Isn't the only verb used twice in the Lord's Prayer - forgive ?
What if the interpretation is 'suffering', not 'punishment' , a subtle but
important distinction?
Don't we all participate in the sufferings and effects of original sin, a sin
we did not personally commit, across all generations since Adam and Eve?
Did not the innocent Lamb of God suffer for sins that we are responsible for?
Weren't we told to "take up our cross daily and follow Him"?
Isn't emulation of Christ's sufferings by accepting our own, a way the Father
has given us to show (not just speak) our love for God?
Viva il papa,
Robert
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