Jack L Regner came to this forum by invitation to debate helio/geo positions. He asked for each of the intending participants to give their five best propositions as to why geocentrism was king. There followed a lot of huffing and puffing as to why heliocentrism was wrong to which I drew attention stating that dissatisfaction with heliocentrism was not affirmation of geocentrism. After some weeks -- or was it months? -- of coaxing, several members grudgingly nominated up to five propositions. Now you would have us return to sniping at heliocentrism? What is the problem? Your position has been in existence for much longer than Copernican model. As I remarked previously, I'd have thought that your greatest problem would be in deciding which of the multitude of proofs available to you that you would consider the most devastatingly convincing with which to confound we poor confused, ignorant, lying heliocentrists. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, 23 May, 2008 8:24:51 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Proof of heliocentrism I have decided to start a new thread now that stellar parallax or the celestial ploes is not a proof for either heliocentrism or geocentrism. Might it not be quicker for all of us, in our discussion regarding the helio/geo debate, to ask Regner for just one proof of heliocentrism. So far it would appear that the M-M etc. experiments are all being interpreted and corrected by heliocentric theories. This is pointless since it is the helio idea that is being questioned. The problem, if any with the interferometer experiments, has to be addressed exactly for what it is and not quetioned by that which it questions - does that make grammatical sense?. I think it would be useful to know just what helio's pin their position on. As with evolution it may be easier to highlight the scientific problems and flaws with heliocentricity, since that is the current paradigm, rather than spend endless hours trying to convince helios to consider geocentrism arguments. Therfore would Regner give just one proof of heliocentrism? Jack Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail