If you hold a spinning bicycle wheel at the center you can move the whole wheel anywhere you want but the center of the wheel still remains at the center at any given instance that never changes or is disrupted. But the rotation of the wheel may be disturbed because it acts as a gyroscope. If you hold it at/under the center point it will behave just like your tabletop gyroscope, if it is floating say in micro gravity not attached to anything then it will behave as a free floating gyroscope, even if it is "orbiting" somthing else, say the earth. Those two different circumstances of movements can be mathematically describe and recognized. It is by this that we can know if the trepidation of the heaves are ascribe to the earth (Free floating) or the Heaves themselves (Tabletop). The fact that it is a tabletop gyroscopic movement completely excludes the possibility of the movement being attributed to the earth, because the earth although "in the suns orbit" is still a free floati ng gyroscope in a-centric theory. However, it leaves us with a Universe attached, peripheral and spinning around the earth. No one knows the exact nature of the connection. Knowing that might involve having to have a knowledge of "physics" outside our Universe, because it is outside and by Gods word that all things exist? But that kind of gyroscopic movement could only be attributed to the trepidation of the heaves themselves and in no way attributed to the earth. This is why it is not talked about in wide circles, if at all these days, because as far as the A-centrist were concerned the discussion was put to rest with Einstein in the early part of the 20th century. Bob Davidson <Jesus4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Gary, Interesting...the earth moves when the Lord shakes the heavens. If this is a correct interpretation, then I would like to know by what mechanism the earth and heavens are attached to one another. Is it a self-correcting mechanism that realigns earth with the heavens but shows a delayed response (i.e., not instantaneous and the movement of earth can be seen relative to the stars)? Or, it is not self-correcting, the earth is permanently shifted out of its place and it doesn't matter anymore anyway because it's THE END. Bob Davidson -----Original Message----- From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gary Shelton Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 11:07 PM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Isaiah 13:13 "earth's place" Bob, Cheryl, That the earth is immoveable is further strengthened, I believe, by Isaiah 13:13 (don't you just love the verse number?). "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger." I would interpret this verse, though I'm admittedly taking it out of context, as telling us that the earth shall not move UNTIL the day of the Lord's fierce anger. (Verse 13:13...A very lucky day that will be....) Gary Shelton GaryLShelton@xxxxxxxxxxx