[geocentrism] Re: Concave model
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:14:07 +1000
1. Can I say, "satan damn it"?
Bernie, not really. Even to ejaculate with "HELL" is sinful . Why? well it
belittles the teachings of religion and the Bible. It conveys the idea that
Hell or Satan is irrelevant. Of course remember I said it had to be a
conscious act of the will for you to be accountable.
I always say "shit! " when annoyance creeps in. Come to think of it, that
sounds like "sheesh!" May be I should not have started up this thread. Cant
trust "those who are called jews but are not, but of the synagogue of Satan"
you know. (apoc) They contrived to mean it both ways. It is incomprehensible to
us , the hatred they hold for the name of Jesus.
Now to your problem.
2. Do you know why on some emails I have to scroll HORIZONTALLY
about 4, 5, or even six page lengths?
Bernie
Pain in the ar.e is true. Yes even some web pages are like that. Bad
composers, and I do have a wide cinemascope screen . With the e-mails I think
it is the senders fault, not being set up right. I'v had none such from this
list.
When I get one that I really want to read, if I don't ditch it, I press select
all, copy , and paste in word or wordpad, then ask that program to formatt it .
Most of them are not worth the trouble, and I just ditch it.. Who can read
chinese fashion..
Now if you are getting the wide emails from me and nobody else has the problem,
then it must be your setup..
Assuming you use MS outlook express , go into your options and try to change
things,,
Are you really getting a big salary by working for a mob flogging geocentrism
to the gullible for profit... If so, you should be able to afford geting
professional advice to fix your problem..
My info is free..
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Brauer
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Philip,
1. Can I say, "satan damn it"?
2. Do you know why on some emails I have to scroll HORIZONTALLY
about 4, 5, or even six page lengths?
Bernie
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The whole thing was a parody of how current
heliocentrists sometimes view Geocentrists.
Sheesh.
Bernie
Not being critical Bernie, and some may not call it a big deal , but many
do not know.
Gosh, is a deritive of the blasphemous use of God.. Hidden.. The
synagogue of Satan laugh
Sheesh. likewise is like Gee, a deritive of the blasphemous use of
Jesus..They laugh here as well..
Knowing is forwarned, and we can try to avoid it..
There are many other similar foisted on us, no doubt by those who hate His
name... I remember a protestant preacher who said that every time he heard the
person actually call on the name of Jesus in a blasphemous tone, (probably
unknowingly) he would rush up and grasp their hand and say "welcome brother,
its nice to meet a person not afraid to publically call on the Lord Jesus..""
or some such.
I tried it for a while thereafter.. The surprise on their faces was a
sight to behold... Most of these people are unaware of an engrained habit. Like
all curse words. Thus they are not guilty of a wilful sin.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Brauer
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
The whole thing was a parody of how current
heliocentrists sometimes view Geocentrists.
Sheesh.
Bernie
Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bernie B
I'm always curious -- "World Geocentric Institute" -- intriguing!
Didn't produce one Goole hit. Did I/you spell it incorrectly?
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October, 2007 1:40:53 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Steven,
I'm sorry, I cannot consider your loony Concave Earth Theory to be
valid or worth investigating. I have 28 years tied up researching
and believing in Geocentrism, so effectively if your theory
were true, that would be like saying I have "wasted" my life pursuing
the wrong course.
In addition if my belief in Geocentrism were proven incorrect
I would become a laughing stock amongst the entire community,
and the thousands of my Geocentrism converts would be angry at me.
I make a good income here at The World Geocentric Institute
which enables a very comfortable and joyful lifestyle. If the Executive
Director
of our institute found me promoting your wild, ridiculous
and unsubstantiated Concave Earth theory, I dare say I should find
my office moved to the bathroom or very likely dismissed from my
position.
Kind Regards,
Bernie : ~ )
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bernie,
Interesting questions, but the concave Earth model is not so easily
disproven. There is actually real maths and science behind it, but before I
continue I must stress that I don't accept this model as being true presently,
I'm only investigating it with an open-mind! If you think I'm a loony for doing
so then don't hesitate to say so! But it's interesting, and worth a look I
think.
Yes, you probably could hit the sun, although with much more
difficulty than what you may at first realize. Essential to the concave Earth
model is the fact that light is not straight, and gravity may be the same (I
don't know, but probably). If light could be proven to be curved as this model
supposes, then it would kill heliocentrism which relies heavily on the fact
that light is "straight".
Concerning your next question, this is actually easy. Light is
curved, therefore try and visualize how sunrise and sunset work. These
illustrations of summer and winter may help too:
Notice the curved light, imagine being at the last point on the
bottom, that would be just like sunset.
Finally, you may find the following of note, it was written by a
friend of mine:
"As I explained to the webmaster of the
concave earth theory, I had come to that conclusion myself before ever
seeing their website. The starry sky had a lot to do with it. The first time
I went to the planetarium and watched a star show that seemed every bit as
real as what was outside. At the end of the show the planetarium ball with
lights raised up out of the pit where it had been hidden and the announcer
described what we had just seen as an illusion. Lights projected onto the
domed ceiling. Wow. Then we left and outside the stars lit the sky and
looked exactly as what we had seen inside. How could a dome be over the earth
as we know it? Years later as I was cleaning our pool at night and using a
flashlight to see if the bottom was clean, I noticed that the beam of light
was shining up on the house. Diffraction. Light waves do not continue in a
straight line when passing through a liquid medium such as the atmosphere.
When I took my kids to the beach to skip stones on the water I
noticed that the horizon of lake Ontario came to eye level whether we were
at the shoreline or on the bluff above. Then when I was in an airplane on a
business trip I also noticed that the horizon was at eye level on both
sides of the plane, no matter how high we went. The only way this could
happen is if we were in a concave earth. Try it yourself. Plus, if we were
on a convex earth, the atmosphere would be sucked away into the vacuum of
space. Anyway, science "so called" is a false religion. Evolution and
astronomy are all meant to make us feel small and insignificant in their
universe of endless time and space. The kingdom of god is within, not
without. God is in our midst." We should always be "open" I think Bernie,
but "objective" at the same time. Best wishes, Steven.
Bernie Brauer wrote:
Steven,
So you could fire a LGM - 30 Minuteman III
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-30_3.htm
at the sun and hit it?
Then if we're always looking down at the sun it would
always be daylight, unless it ducks behind something
to give us a night-time?
Just Asking,
Bernie
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bernie, me in blue:
Bernie Brauer wrote:
Steven,
What are they saying is the diameter and circumference of
this concave Earth? Compared to 8,000 and 24,000 miles.
Amazingly, is the fact an earth circumference of 25,000 miles was
first worked out from concave Earth experiments! Looking at the experimental
data with more modern techniques of data analysis than the Morrow (concave
Earth believers in the 19th century) team used, it has an uncertainty of a bit
over 2%. Which is like the modern value by only about 2% also!
More here: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm (Look
for "The Koreshan Geodetic Survey of 1897." title).
If the sun is half way, then it would be placed at 4,000 miles.
5,000 I think is the official concave Earth estimate!
Where are we standing? On the underside of a thin crust?
Well, yes, but it's not quite so thin as you imagine, between
150-500 miles think probably, and when you consider the worlds deepest mine is
only 3.5 km (2.1 miles) deep, then it's thick. Interestingly, this is the limit
also because it becomes molten at that depth. Holes dug simply seal over again.
Best wishes,
Steven.
Kind Regards,
Bernie
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Jack, me in blue:
Jack Lewis wrote:
Dear Steven,
I realise all that. How do they explain away geocentrism
and all the other 'isms?
Jack
Because, if it were proven that the Earth was concave and not
convex, then life must be from within, that means that the cosmos or the starry
heavens are within too as in the following diagram:
The universe doesn't exist, only the Earth and the starry
globe within, it therefore becomes apparent that sun centred, Earth centred or
whatever is irrelevant. This is probably one of the most beautiful aspects
relating to the concave Earth hypothesis.
(Luke 17:21 KJV) "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
Thanks for the questions, it's appreciated to discuss this
whilst I think about it all. If you have a question or a possible problem with
the kinematics of this model, then fire-away and I'll attempt to answer it!
Best wishes,
Steven.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Jones"
<steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Interesting question dear Jack, with the concave Earth,
heliocentrism/acentrism/geocentrism, it's all irrelevant! The Earth is the
nucleus of life if you like, you can forget other planets because it is only
within the World that we live, shielded like in a womb from whatever lies
beyond. If the concave Earth could be proven, it would be the end of it all. No
more vast distances even, and a creator would be the most obvious thing ever.
In support of the concave Earth:
Question, why does a mercury leveled telescope looking
out to sea with engraved central cross-hairs feature the ocean above the
cross-hairs rather than at the centre or below?
Interesting indeed....
Brotherly love,
Steven.
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