[geocentrism] Re: Both creation scenarios belong to specific religions, and neither is secular.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:23:06 +1000
Paul you were being obstropolis and not very fair in demanding a God according
to your superhuman condition.. Where did you dig that up? And it was selected
under "religion" Number 4.. not God. or a god..
Lets open it up seeing none is into geocentrism..and see the different types of
god in our language, and I'm sure we will find one to fit ... who is not
superhuman, but sure wields a lot of power over the world..
Julius Caesar comes to mind who probably comes close to a secular god of
science, and he was not super..
wiki
For example, in Lindbeck's Nature of Doctrine, religion does not refer to
belief in "God" or a transcendent Absolute. Instead, Lindbeck defines religion
as, "a kind of cultural and/or linguistic framework or medium that shapes the
entirety of life and thought. it is similar to an idiom that makes possible the
description of realities, the formulation of beliefs, and the experiencing of
inner attitudes, feelings, and sentiments."[6] According to this definition,
religion refers to one's primary worldview and how this dictates one's thoughts
and actions.
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices often (but not always) organized
around supernatural and moral claims, and often codified as prayer, ritual, and
religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions,
writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic
experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related
to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared
conviction
"Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief
system,"[3] but is more socially defined than that of personal convictions.
Definitions mostly include:
a.. a notion of the transcendent or numinous, often, but not always, in the
form of theism
b.. a cultural or behavioural aspect of ritual, liturgy and organized
worship, often involving a priesthood, and societal norms of morality (ethos)
and virtue (arete)
c.. a set of myths or sacred truths held in reverence or believed by
adherents
Now Paul might not we say science that you follow, not me, may conform to that
last definition. a set of myths believed by adherents.. Global warming myth
for example. And you insist on it against all odds. till a new priest explains
it to you.
Definition
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god (SPIRIT) Show phonetics
noun [C]
1 a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and
often worshipped for doing so, or a representation of this spirit or being:
the ancient Greek gods and goddesses
See also the gods.
2 someone who is very important to you, whom you admire very much, and who
greatly influences you:
His most devoted fans think of Elvis Presley as a sort of god.
play God
to act as if you are in total control of something:
Genetic engineers should not be allowed to play God, interfering with the basic
patterns of Nature.
and wiki. good old wiki,
Conceptions of God
Detail of Sistine Chapel fresco Creation of the Sun and Moon by Michelangelo
(completed 1512).
Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied
countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic
conceptions of God include the trinitarian view of Christians, the Kabbalistic
definition of Jewish mysticism, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic
religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by
region, sect, and caste from monotheistic to polytheistic; the view of God in
Buddhism is almost non-theist. In modern times, some more abstract concepts
have been developed, such as process theology and open theism. Conceptions of
God held by individual believers vary so widely that there is no clear
consensus on the nature of God.[7] The contemporaneous French philosopher
Michel Henry has however proposed a phenomenological approach and definition of
God as phenomenological essence of Life.[citation needed
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Brauer
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:07 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Both creation scenarios belong to specific
religions, and neither is secular.
To Paul Deema,
"The g'd of theoretical science is the Pharisee Religion's g'd. Anyone can
read of each and every concept that makes up an evolution-based "creation
scenario" that has become today's textbook cosmology and find them in ancient
Rabbinic writings in the Zohar/Kabbala. It's a religion; it has a g'd. You
tell me who it is or isn't. There is nothing "secular" about the "theoretical
science" the world believes is really secular with no religious affiliation."
Paul wrote:
Bernie B
I'm not at this moment interested in what shape the Earth is.
The name of the God of True Science is "Jehovah God"
or "Father God".
So then the scientists of the world are all Christians? I don't think so!
But then, you probably meant to imply that they are all followers of Lucifer --
providing only that you don't agree with them. Again, I don't think so!
"Everyone has a God/god; ...
No -- some are professed atheists. And many more are simply self reliant --
they don't need something or someone to lean upon, or to blame for their own
shortcomings.
"Thou shalt not steal".
Here again I have a problem. I was brought up with the idea that this was a
directive of the God of Abraham, the God of the Bible. Definitely not the God
of science. If you look though, you'll find that it is not exclusive with Him
-- Allah, Krishna and many others said the same thing and many said it a lot
earlier. However -- if I understand you correctly -- I inferred from your
further comments that if one does not follow the God of Abraham et al, then he
is by default immoral. Again, I don't think so. I suggest that there is at
least as high a proportion of moral atheists as moral Christians, Muslims,
Hindus et al.
..."please explain in your own words"?
Yes -- they were not recycled.
You'll have to try a lot harder than this. Alternatively, you could stop
making this ridiculous assertion that science is a religion. It does not meet
the criteria I've quoted. Of course if you could provide me with references to
a statement by many scientists that they worship a personal God of science --
perhaps named "Science"? -- I'd have to reconsider. But at the moment this
ridiculous assertion comes only from a few disgruntled fundamentalists who
cannot tolerate anyone failing to be convinced by their utterances. I know that
there are people who make statements to the effect that "... he worships the
dollar!" and such but these are, in the main figurative, whereas I feel
reasonably confident that for you it is real.
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Bernie To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 3 March, 2008 7:51:46 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Both creation scenarios belong to specific
religions, and neither is secular.
To Paul Deema,
1. "Everyone has a God/god; either himself, Jim Jones, Satan, The State,
impersonal evolutionary forces, or The Creator God of the Christian Holy Bible.
God created you with a special purpose in mind."
The name of the God of True Science is "Jehovah God"
or "Father God". More names:
http://www.smilegodlovesyou.org/names.html
The name of the god of false science is Lucifer
2. "In what matters does this God demand obedience?"
I would have to write a book Paul, and I'm not going to do that for you.
How about commandment eight, "Thou shalt not steal".
So don't steal food from Safeway Grocery Store and then eat it.
But earn your own money, or raise it voluntarily and then go buy
some food and then eat it and satisfy your stomach.
Likewise don't steal money to buy a telescope or Space Shuttle
or particle accelerator. But earn your own money, or raise it voluntarily
and then go buy some telescopes and then look through it to satisfy your eyes.
You see? I have just solved the whole Geocentrism versus heliocentricity
debate, there is no other answer, this is the only answer. It is The Enormous
Purple Dinosaur in the backyard that everyone refuses to acknowledge and no one
is allowed to talk about. By all means believe in heliocentrism, Geocentrism,
flat Earth, concave Earth but do not ask "The State" to steal ( tax ) a median
income father and then give it to some other people who are curious about the
sky.
Because you know what? For all I know the Earth could be flat,
everyone who has not PERSONALLY seen the Earth from a space
ship HAS TO agree with that, nobody is allowed to disagree,
it is "illegal" to disagree with that statement. And I only mean
100.0000 per cent sure. It is OK to be 99% sure that the Earth
is not flat. But even all that is irrelevant to the moral ( stealing
question of, "If you want to find out Then Use Your Own
( or VOLUNTARILY RAISED ) Satan-Darned Money".
Paul is that good enough for, "please explain in your own words"?
Respectfully.
Bernie
Paul wrote:
Bernie B
Perhaps you have forgotten ... allow me to refresh your memory -
religion 4. (p/o) COD n. Human recognition of superhuman controlling
power & esp. of a personal God entitled to obediance, effect of such
recognition on conduct & mental attitude...
I did not previously ask you personally but I do so here. Please explain
in your own words -
1. What is the name of the God of science?
2. In what matters does this God demand obediance?
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Bernie Brauer
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 3 March, 2008 12:12:34 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Both â?ocreation scenariosâ?? belong to specific
religions, and neither is secular.
http://www.fixedearth.com/Don't%20You%20Love%20It%20When....htm
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