[geocentrism] Re: Atoms & Electrons
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:07:14 +1000
For Jacks attention
Paul, my memory re the electron microscope was false.. Seeing the atom is not
seeing the electron apparently.. This tells of seeing an atom which may be
what gave me the memory from the 1950's.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev28-4/text/atoms.htm
And this from another web site is probably why, and it makes sense..so far as
it goes.
"What is an electron? Never in history has anyone been able to even imagine
the structure of an electron. Until very recently, the electron was thought to
be a 'point' made of an unknown, undefineable substance called 'charge'. Since
a point has no dimensions, there is no structure and nothing to see."
Strictly not true and further more, the electron has been weighed, and though
being small, that still does not make it a point which is non existent except
as a mathmatical concept. It is a particle of material matter. But the follow
up ,
"The electron is a wave structure. Recently this structure was found (see: A
Wave Structure for the Electron) to be two concentric spherical moving quantum
waves. One wave moves inward and one wave moves outward. This spherical wave
pair has the familiar properties of an electron which we call mass and charge,
as well as all other properties. When you look below, for this first time in
history you can see the radial amplitude of these electron waves moving on your
screen. You will see three diagrams."
This is pure conjecture, and the word "quantum" is like the word evolution..
a concept and nothing else..
However I would not deny you the concept at all and you may find the whole
description here . http://members.tripod.com/mwolff/see.html
I hope you can quark it..
But really I can empathise with quantum theory. It relegates all matter to
absolutely nothing but wave structured energy. Which is more akin to how a God
(pure energy with intelligence) would control all creation. Its good for the
aether theory as well.
Jack if you read this site, you will notice that it relegates all orbital
electrons and the classical model of the atom to the waste bin. Whilst that
hurts my grasp of reality, it does does seem to make reality more
comprehensible. A single hydrogen atom in space of a lonely proton with an
electron somewhere miles away orbiting it , and nothing else in between is a
bit hard to take.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Atoms & Electrons
Philip M
Not sure about electron microscopes being able to see atoms. I thought this
wouldn't work for the same reason that light microscopes can't see molecules.
Please don't press me for an explanation -- I'm on very shaky ground here.
Proton/neutron did sound an alarm if nothing else from the position of mass
but I thought it might just be my ignorance. Proton/electron being a neutron I
had not heard previously. The masses and equalised charge sound plausible.
Won't venture further.
I don't question that the various particles are detectable and countable. IBM
wrote -- it is claimed -- "IBM" by depositing individual atoms on a substrate.
I don't question that either. What would it profit them to lie? And such feats
have a habit of cropping up in next year's trendy disposable toys thoughtlessly
and without any sense of wonder, used to fill holes in the ground. We are
surrounded by Philistines Phil ... er ... moving right along! |[:-)
Philip, I don't think I can recall a single instance of your claiming that
any part of science is faked. On the contrary, you seem concerned to preserve
what is known and to seek to incorporate it into your philosophy. That you do
so by what I see as an artifact is the point where we diverge but right up to
that point I have noted many instances where I admire your insight. Keep
astonishing me.
The Bible was written by God? I seem to recall you agreeing with me that it
was not but was written by men who claim to have been guided by God. My
suggestion of rewriting a section of the Bible would contain no blasphemy but
rather would simply contain the caveats you seem to crave in science reporting.
And Pilate's utterance "What is truth?" is about as profound a question as
can be asked.
Paul D
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