[GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

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I loved the mummy. It was hidden in a very nice location and the puzzle was
stimulating. Even getting lost in head high weeds while feeding an army of
chiggers competing with my friend to be the one to find it with total
disregard for the voice of reason screaming in my head was fun (at the moment.
suffering from the chigger bites later was not as much fun).

If I know of a lamp-post cache nearby (probably wouldn't go out of my way) I
will stop and get it, but i won't remember it for any longer than it took to
find. The mummy will stick with me for a long time.

I can think of one lamp-post cache that I can recommend to anyone who has not
done it. It was one of my first and it stumped me for quite a long time...
GUFF aka GCP1XW

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Received: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:39:29 PM EST
From: Dan C <dcrep_gc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads


I just wanted to echo Stephen's comment.  As one of the finders of the Mummy
in 2007 (Stephen was another), I'd happily walk right by a lamp-post to get an
interesting cache such as that one.  Not all new cachers are interested in
numbers... some quite the opposite.

-Dan (dcrep)

> 
> Well said Mike.  I am not into the numbers at all.  I love puzzles like
Mummy and tricky caches like Need Gas.  I relish a 2 or even one cache day if
I had to sweat or think to get it.  It is all about what the individual is
into.  Keep making your caches like you do, 32 finds is an indication of a
cache that requires some work. Kudos you!
> 
> Stephen
>  
> On Tuesday, January 08, 2008, at 03:03PM, "Michael Griffin"
<mike.griffin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >I think we miss the point of the caches. It is not so some guy in a
> >wheelchair can't play, it is asking permission which is the basis of any
> >cache. It clearly states that permission MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR to
> >placing any cache. If it is a hassle to get permission, we shouldn't
> >place one with the Oh Well attitude. We should do the homework and make
> >sure we obtain permission. 
> > 
> >However, I totally agree that SLAGA is not the enforcing agency on
> >caches. We are a social club and should not condemn or support any kind
> >of hides. Everything is personal preference. I don't like light poles
> >and guardrails, but I do them :-) I don't like McDonalds or Wal-Mart
> >caches no matter how they are placed, but I do them! :-) 
> > 
> >However, I don't like the fact that I could go to Jail because someone
> >was too lazy to ask permission before placing a cache. I recently, as
> >did HappyKraut, replaced all my permission forms for all caches at Busch
> >and Weldon Spring. During that process, it became very clear that all
> >the properties John Vogel manages do not have legal caches on them. He
> >knows this and has let us slide. How long before he decides enough is
> >enough and prohibits caching on all his managed lands. Permits are
> >helpful in the fact that it is a 2 way agreement. I would feel much
> >better doing a cache on private property where the owner has placed on
> >the cache page his permission from statement.
> > 
> >I will do caches that I don't necessary like because I too am a numbers
> >hound. I am NOT afraid to say I love numbers. Although I haven't logged
> >several of the caches I have done in the past 6 months, I like to watch
> >my numbers.
> > 
> >Ok, Last topic since this is about Geocaching and not food. Larry and
> >myself were talking about how the numbers have killed the muticaches and
> >puzzles. I use to make a puzzle cache run for 1 or 2 caches. Now, unless
> >I go alone, no one wants to do 1 or 2. Everyone wants to do 60 or 100 or
> >500 in a weekend. Only if someone has solved a puzzle down to the final
> >will someone do a difficult puzzle. 
> > 
> >Case and Point was the Mummy Cache. In 2 years, I had 32 finds. Here is
> >what is amazing - From Sept - Dec in 2005 I had 20 finders, in all of
> >2006 I had 6 finders and in 2007 until archived late October, I had 6
> >finders.
> > 
> >With the number of new cachers out there, most are getting their
> >training from the old timers that are teaching them it is all about
> >numbers. Stats, Light poles and Guardrails are the result of numbers.
> >Remember, I said I was a numbers hound, no hypocrisy, just observations.
> > 
> >Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab
> >a few Guardrails and Light poles.
> >
> >Mike Griffin 
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JimSGreene@xxxxxxx
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:11 PM
> >To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Walmart light pole
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:28:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> >junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >
> >     I think a good service SLAGA could provide is to have people who
> >can
> >     tactfully contact cache placers who place problematic caches.
> >They could
> >     work with them to fix the problem.  I suspect that would be
> >better than some
> >     of us less tactful people pointing out the problem in a cache
> >log.
> >     
> >
> >Jim,
> > I disagree with this statement, any problematic caches should be
> >reported to the local approver for them to handle. They are paid big
> >money to handle that sort of thing. 
> > As far as lamp post or easy caches, they serve a purpose too, they are
> >great for those with mobility issues, and people looking for some quick
> >finds. If placed according to guidelines, I don't have a problem with
> >them. They can be ok, and sometimes they can be a nice surprise when a
> >new trick shows up.
> > Let's not get into any sort of condemnation of anything, this sport has
> >lots of room for all types of hides, enjoy the game.
> > 
> >Strider
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape
> ><http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>
> >in the new year. 
> >
>  
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