[GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

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Very well said Jim!  A great destination micro is most worthy.
Part of the problem and the general dislike of LPC is that having cut our geoteeth here in St. Louis we're all really spoiled. We just have to remember to lower our SLAGA standards when visiting anywhere other than here. (Although I think we had over 200 caches before we even went to a light pole for a true light pole cache).
How many times have you gone to a micro and been fooled because it WAS just a micro and not a "Tale of Two Parks" or "Playfair" or a "Piece of Trash." (One we did in Illinois). Everytime we find a magnetic micro under a trashcan outside of a coffeehouse I get the urge to send the placer a few St. Louis links and say, "READ! LEARN! PLEASE!"
I think it's in the Slaggards geocreed to set the local geoculture by continuing to lead by example. Oh .. and EAT. "Eat Often; Cache Much".
Next .. let's discuss people who don't log "No Finds" .. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....LOL 

Nancy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bensman" <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:41 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads


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Dan,

I can somewhat understand your point of view, but I look at it a bit
differently.  One problem is you cannot filter out lame/walmart lamppost
caches.  The only way to find out is to go do it (and if you are there, you
just do it).  I've got nothing against easy caches and I don't mind an
occasional lame cache. It is much more fun to do an easy cache in an
interesting location.  Yesterday, I did the eagle has landed.  I drove to
within 10 feet of it and it took me 30 seconds to find it.  But many times
you can see 50-100 eagles in the spot.  I just wish people would take the
time to find an interesting location like the eagle spot instead of putting
them in a walmart parking lot.

My hope is we can exert peer pressure that quality is more important than
quantity.  Let's encourage people to take the time to find an interesting
spot instead of another lamppost.  Or make it interesting and challenging
(RGS's guard rail cache and a guard rail cache we found in Evansville were a
blast to do).  I like the overall quality of caches in our area and want to
keep it that way.

For the number hounds, how about we establish a lamppost cache for them and
let them log it over and over again?  Once you have seen a lamppost or
walmart, you've seen them all.  What's the difference in finding the same
one over and over again and finding a different lamppost?

Today I was in a meeting in Benton IL.  After the meeting I drove a couple
of miles to a cache.  It was clearly on private property and nothing was on
the cache page about permission.  The hint and GPS where directing me to go
into the bushes by a sign and house.  Without knowing if there was
permission, I did not feel comfortable going onto private property in their
bushes.  So I did not.  This was not fun.  It was a waste of my time.

We all have lots of fun doing this.  So in exchange for the fun we get from
others work (Let me thank Glenn again), I think we should pay these people
back by taking the time to do a quality cache.  I think we owe it to other
cachers to not place them in a situation where they could get arrested or in
bad situations like by playgrounds.  If we place a cache on private property
we need to get permission and let people know on the cache page that
permission has been granted.  I bet the vast majority of lamppost caches do
not have permission.

You said you, "enjoy some caches MORE than other caches."  What I am hoping
for is we can encourage people to do higher quality and more fun caches.
Let's all work to keep high quality caches in the area.


Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"



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