[GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

  • From: fascist-cows_dreaming@xxxxxxx
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:16:57 -0500

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More than a social club for people with eating disorders. I believe that there
is something in the SLAGA charter about promoting stewardship of the land and
also improving the quality of the game. Although SLAGA is not an enforcing
agency, and SLAGA has no jurisdiction over non-SLAGA geocachers (does it even
have jurisdiction over SLAGA members?), we should help those who are willing
to receive help (and maybe even lobby those who are not) to improve their
geocache skills including creating containers, selecting geocache locations,
hiding containers, geocache hunting ethics, etc.

I admit it is a very fine line to walk to critique someone's geocache
unsolicited while trying to be tactful. I also agree that there are some that
can not be helped, but that doesn't mean that we should not try. I know that
there are some member who are very diplomatic and some of us "not so much". I
doubt that anyone wants to spend a great deal of time working on a thankless
job like enforcing conformity in the community, but for the very rare instance
when an intervention is needed, SLAGA does have influence in this community
and we can make a difference.

and now back to mooooore important matters ... lunch on wednesday??? anyone,
anyone?

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:03:32 PM EST
From: "Michael Griffin" <mike.griffin@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [GeoStL] Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

I think we miss the point of the caches. It is not so some guy in a
wheelchair can't play, it is asking permission which is the basis of any
cache. It clearly states that permission MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR to
placing any cache. If it is a hassle to get permission, we shouldn't
place one with the Oh Well attitude. We should do the homework and make
sure we obtain permission. 
 
However, I totally agree that SLAGA is not the enforcing agency on
caches. We are a social club and should not condemn or support any kind
of hides. Everything is personal preference. I don't like light poles
and guardrails, but I do them :-) I don't like McDonalds or Wal-Mart
caches no matter how they are placed, but I do them! :-) 
 
However, I don't like the fact that I could go to Jail because someone
was too lazy to ask permission before placing a cache. I recently, as
did HappyKraut, replaced all my permission forms for all caches at Busch
and Weldon Spring. During that process, it became very clear that all
the properties John Vogel manages do not have legal caches on them. He
knows this and has let us slide. How long before he decides enough is
enough and prohibits caching on all his managed lands. Permits are
helpful in the fact that it is a 2 way agreement. I would feel much
better doing a cache on private property where the owner has placed on
the cache page his permission from statement.
 
I will do caches that I don't necessary like because I too am a numbers
hound. I am NOT afraid to say I love numbers. Although I haven't logged
several of the caches I have done in the past 6 months, I like to watch
my numbers.
 
Ok, Last topic since this is about Geocaching and not food. Larry and
myself were talking about how the numbers have killed the muticaches and
puzzles. I use to make a puzzle cache run for 1 or 2 caches. Now, unless
I go alone, no one wants to do 1 or 2. Everyone wants to do 60 or 100 or
500 in a weekend. Only if someone has solved a puzzle down to the final
will someone do a difficult puzzle. 
 
Case and Point was the Mummy Cache. In 2 years, I had 32 finds. Here is
what is amazing - From Sept - Dec in 2005 I had 20 finders, in all of
2006 I had 6 finders and in 2007 until archived late October, I had 6
finders.
 
With the number of new cachers out there, most are getting their
training from the old timers that are teaching them it is all about
numbers. Stats, Light poles and Guardrails are the result of numbers.
Remember, I said I was a numbers hound, no hypocrisy, just observations.
 
Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab
a few Guardrails and Light poles.

Mike Griffin 



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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JimSGreene@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:11 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Walmart light pole


In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:28:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

        I think a good service SLAGA could provide is to have people who
can
        tactfully contact cache placers who place problematic caches.
They could
        work with them to fix the problem.  I suspect that would be
better than some
        of us less tactful people pointing out the problem in a cache
log.
        

Jim,
 I disagree with this statement, any problematic caches should be
reported to the local approver for them to handle. They are paid big
money to handle that sort of thing. 
 As far as lamp post or easy caches, they serve a purpose too, they are
great for those with mobility issues, and people looking for some quick
finds. If placed according to guidelines, I don't have a problem with
them. They can be ok, and sometimes they can be a nice surprise when a
new trick shows up.
 Let's not get into any sort of condemnation of anything, this sport has
lots of room for all types of hides, enjoy the game.
 
Strider



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