[frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
- From: "Chuq Jackels" <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:27:52 -0400
From 10-6, I will be in about 1, out at 2 back at 3, I believe Imre will be
there most of the day though unless he has to run out for something.
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From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Brown
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:08 AM
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
I'll be by today to pick up 2-3. What are your hours today?
Tom
Chuq Jackels wrote:
> I have some at the shop, the going rate on them is 12.99 each, I will
> discount them to 10 each for FGM, I have a handful available.
> Chuq
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:48 PM
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>
> At least two.
>
> Tom
>
> Chuq Jackels wrote:
>
>> How many do you need Tom?
>> Chuq
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:08 PM
>> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>>
>> Mike has already created a repository of patches for standard Ubuntu on
>> one of his computers at home. All he needs to finish the sneakernet
>> patching system are a couple of USB flash drives to copy the patches to.
>> Therefore I am purchasing several 4 GB USB flash drive sticks for Mike
>> to load the patches on and giving the sticks to him Thursday night.
>>
>> We can use the flash drives directly on FreeBoxes using Synaptic or copy
>> the patches to our local server and rsync them to the FreeBoxes.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Phil Goldbach wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sneakernet still requires an internet connection, correct? I'll throw
>>> this idea out here again: Why not just download the updates, put them
>>> onto disk/flash drive, load them onto the warehouse server, and obtain
>>> them from our own VPN? That wouldn't require an internet connection,
>>> and we have the gear to make that happen. We could also then just
>>> update the server as needed in the same way. It'd save a lot of time
>>> vs. the current method of volunteers taking the systems home and
>>> updating them, then bringing them back. This idea was discussed for VL
>>> 5.9, but nothing was ever decided on it.
>>>
>>> Then again, if SBWD does allow us to patch into their network, then I
>>> suppose it doesn't matter, but it still might be a good idea to use
>>> our own VPN as a back up solution.
>>>
>>> Phil Goldbach
>>>
>>> "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 3/22/10, Tom Brown /<tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>>> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 2:33 PM
>>>
>>> I sent management at SWBD an email this morning asking if they are
>>> willing
>>> to share bandwidth with us. I estimated our use of their bandwidth
>>> at 3.5%
>>> maximum and asked what they would charge for it.
>>>
>>> FGM bandwidth = ((24 hrs per day) x (7 days per wk)) / 6 hrs
>>>
>>> We are unlikely to even use 6 hours of bandwidth because the
>>> discussion has
>>> been to sneakernet updates to the local repository rather than
>>> download
>>> them. Besides, if we use Ubuntu LTS, there won't be constant large
>>> patches.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Zimmerman
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 13:22
>>> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>>>
>>> NOTHING FORMAL HAS BEEN DISCUSSED with SBWD in regards to using
their
>>> Internet access.
>>>
>>> The only made the offer to run the cable to remotely mount an access
>>> point for us to access the RBHS network if we got it to work.
>>>
>>> To recap, there is NO approval to use SBWD bandwidth. The host is
>>> interest in hearing an offer from us. I have NOT replied with an
>>> offer
>>> because we are (were) attempting to get RBHS.
>>>
>>> To physically run a line to SBWD we are looking @ 800 foot of
>>> wire. That
>>> is why I suggested the wireless bridge idea.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/20/2010 9:37 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
>>> > Let me recap. The use of SBWD's bandwidth has been approved, and
>>> they
>>> > will run the cable if we have the cable. Anything else discussed
in
>>> > talks with SBWD management? Like monthly fee?
>>> >
>>> > If the run is longer than 300 ft., we will need a repeater (hub)
to
>>> > boost the signal. I assume SBWD has a router on which we can
>>> configure
>>> > our own class C network segment. I have an OpenDNS account which
>>> has
>>> > several DNS IPs we can use, or we can use SBWD's default DNS.
>>> >
>>> > TigerDirect cat5e cable, 500 ft., $50
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
>
>>
>>
>>> 20046&CatId=2272
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Maybe Marc can help us with Ethernet cable.
>>> >
>>> > Tom
>>> >
>>> > Chuq Jackels wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> From our conversation with Management they would do all of the
>>> wire
>>> >> running required with their forklift and guys.
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Tom Brown
>>> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
>>> >> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps you, Phil and I can find the P3 gaylords and move them
>>> close
>>> >> to the workshop door. If you already know where the P3s are
>>> located,
>>> >> that will make the task easier.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll need to speak to SBWD management: Are they are willing to
>>> let us
>>> >> use their bandwidth? At what price? And, where to run cable and
>>> >> connect to their network? I believe SBWD has a scissor lift,
>>> but they
>>> >> probably won't let us use it because of liability issues. So
we'll
>>> >> probably need to coordinate a daytime cable install.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tom
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf
>>> Of *john jones
>>> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2010 16:56
>>> >> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] P3/Internet
>>> >>
>>> >> If its ok with everybody else on Tues id like to set up a table
>>> for
>>> >> just p3 and startin weedin through some of them to see whats
>>> >> workable,ive noticed we have tons of ethernet cable we have
>>> alot of
>>> >> long pieces with no ends with some ends and a crimper and some
>>> >> extenders we have enough to make it to the DHL office,how u
ask?we
>>> >> put the scapel together enough to reach into the rafters and
>>> neatly
>>> >> zip-tie it to the exisisting pipeage and route it to its
>>> >> destination,just an idea......
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On *Fri, 3/19/10, john jones /<rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> >> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Ubuntu/P3
>>> >> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 11:28 AM
>>> >>
>>> >> Ubunto does work in p3 i have one with ubuntu had it for like 3
>>> >> months already and it hasnt given me any problem and is just as
>>> fast
>>> >> as it was the day i loaded it,its just the ones we get in are
>>> older
>>> >> then dirt and tedious and time consumming to fix parts arent a
>>> >> problem we have tons of power supplys ram/vc/ec/ect for p3 but
>>> at 8
>>> >> hours a week its almost virtually impossible to put out any
>>> production
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On *Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Brown /<tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> >> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Warehouse Report - Thursday
>>> 03-11-2010
>>> >> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:48 AM
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't we have P3 systems to refurbish?
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm focusing on recruiting volunteers and haven't started a
>>> marketing
>>> >> campaign to generate more computer donations. Remember, there is
a
>>> >> substantial lead time before corporations dispose of assets.
We've
>>> >> turned down several large donations of P3 and P4 systems this
>>> winter
>>> >> and spring. If we are limited to P4 systems, and we don't get
>>> enough
>>> >> P4 donations this summer, we won't have computers for Title 1
>>> in the
>>> >> fall. The plan is to have plenty of systems prepared so we hit
the
>>> >> ground running in Title 1 schools this fall. We refused
>>> donations in
>>> >> a significant portion of 2009, and we missed the 2009-2010
>>> academic
>>> >> year so our stock is apparently low. If Ubuntu doesn't run well
>>> >> enough on P3s, we are may be in danger of missing another
>>> academic year.
>>> >>
>>> >> btw, we were not invited to participate in the IUSB electronics
>>> >> collection this year. I'll try to find out what happened. Perhaps
>>> >> they thought we would contact them first; in the past they
>>> contacted
>>> >> us. The IUSB collection event is April 9.
>>> >>
>>> >> Goodwill is shipping 34,000 pounds of computer electronics each
>>> month
>>> >> to Dell. With that kind of activity, it isn't going to be easy to
>>> >> start donations flowing to FGM again. Plus, Goodwill is
soliciting
>>> >> businesses which has been our domain.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tom
>>> >>
>>> >> Phil Goldbach wrote:
>>> >> > I've been searching high and low for those power supply
testers,
>>> >> with no luck. I did locate our power supplies but been focusing
on
>>> >> finding the testers. Next time I'm at the warehouse, I'll look
>>> again
>>> >> for a bit, but if I can't find them by then, I would suggest
>>> that FGM
>>> >> invests in purchasing a few more. They may turn up, though, most
>>> >> likely at the bottom of a gaylord. Can only get so far by
climbing
>>> >> around and looking through them.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I further suggest that we start going through all the
>>> gaylords and
>>> >> preparing for an ADEC pickup. We may find some useful stuff, as I
>>> >> recently found the plastic jugs that had the audio cables, CMOS
>>> >> batteries, processors, etc. I do know there are a few more P4s
>>> out in
>>> >> the storage area, but other than that, that's about it. We do
>>> have a
>>> >> lot of stuff for deman though.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We do have several Freeboxes that need updating. I have to
>>> ask, how
>>> >> often are there updates for the distro of Ubuntu we're loading
>>> onto
>>> >> the Freeboxes? If they're few and far between, then why not
>>> download
>>> >> all of the current ones, and put them onto the warehouse
>>> server, and
>>> >> set up a network there to pull the updates from the server as was
>>> >> suggested for VL 5.9? Then bring in the new updates as
>>> necessary. I
>>> >> think that would work better in the long run, especially if we
>>> have
>>> >> to rush some out the door instead of loading them at the
>>> warehouse,
>>> >> having volunteers take them home, update them, then bring them
>>> back.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Phil Goldbach
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --- On *Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Cook /<mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > From: Mike Cook <mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> >> > Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Warehouse Report - Thursday
>>>
> 03-11-2010
>
>>> >> > To: "frgeek-michiana" <frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> >> > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:26 AM
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I opened the warehouse at about 6:00PM, Dan and his son had
>>> >> > arrived earlier.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Volunteers attending: Dan and his son Dale, Phil was there with
>>> >> > his girlfriend and our newest Board member Carol attended. We
>>> also
>>> >> > had a volunteer who said she had been there on Tuesday and
>>>
> needed
>
>>> >> > someone to sign her sheet. She stayed only briefly and her name
>>> >> > escapes me at the moment.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dale worked on recycling the better part of the night with
Dan's
>>> >> > assistance.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dan also worked on QA and installation on several freeboxen.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Phil spent quite a lot of time looking for power supplies and
>>>
> our
>
>>> >> > PS testers as we have several boxes needing power supplies.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I worked on repairing some of the systems we had set aside with
>>> >> > problems and I showed Carol how we deban and refurbish a system
>>> >> > and showed her the basic construction of a PC and the
>>> >> > identification of the components .
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Of the systems I looked at I sent 1 to deman with a bad
>>> >> > motherboard. I believe the processor may be good. Two
additional
>>> >> > systems required power supplies which we were unable to locate.
>>> >> > The last system I looked at contained a Nvidia AGP graphics
card
>>> >> > which was incomparable with the open source drivers in Ubuntu.
I
>>> >> > replaced the Nvidia card with an ATI AGP card and was able to
>>>
> get
>
>>> >> > Ubuntu up and running.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dan and I continued to attempt to sort out the QA instruction
>>> >> > sheet used for final testing. I have still not completed
>>> revisions
>>> >> > on the sheet.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dan also told me that we have been removing the bottom menu bar
>>> >> > and relocating the top bar to the bottom edge. I'm not sure
this
>>> >> > is a good idea as the pager and window selection buttons are
>>> >> > located on the bottom bar this makes it harder to switch
between
>>> >> > open applications and desktops. We may want to look at this
>>> issue.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The warehouse closed at about 9:30PM
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks to all!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> >
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