[frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
- From: "Chuq Jackels" <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:08:57 -0400
How many do you need Tom?
Chuq
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From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Brown
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:08 PM
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
Mike has already created a repository of patches for standard Ubuntu on
one of his computers at home. All he needs to finish the sneakernet
patching system are a couple of USB flash drives to copy the patches to.
Therefore I am purchasing several 4 GB USB flash drive sticks for Mike
to load the patches on and giving the sticks to him Thursday night.
We can use the flash drives directly on FreeBoxes using Synaptic or copy
the patches to our local server and rsync them to the FreeBoxes.
Tom
Phil Goldbach wrote:
> Sneakernet still requires an internet connection, correct? I'll throw
> this idea out here again: Why not just download the updates, put them
> onto disk/flash drive, load them onto the warehouse server, and obtain
> them from our own VPN? That wouldn't require an internet connection,
> and we have the gear to make that happen. We could also then just
> update the server as needed in the same way. It'd save a lot of time
> vs. the current method of volunteers taking the systems home and
> updating them, then bringing them back. This idea was discussed for VL
> 5.9, but nothing was ever decided on it.
>
> Then again, if SBWD does allow us to patch into their network, then I
> suppose it doesn't matter, but it still might be a good idea to use
> our own VPN as a back up solution.
>
> Phil Goldbach
>
> "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/22/10, Tom Brown /<tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 2:33 PM
>
> I sent management at SWBD an email this morning asking if they are
> willing
> to share bandwidth with us. I estimated our use of their bandwidth
> at 3.5%
> maximum and asked what they would charge for it.
>
> FGM bandwidth = ((24 hrs per day) x (7 days per wk)) / 6 hrs
>
> We are unlikely to even use 6 hours of bandwidth because the
> discussion has
> been to sneakernet updates to the local repository rather than
> download
> them. Besides, if we use Ubuntu LTS, there won't be constant large
> patches.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf
> Of Richard Zimmerman
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 13:22
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
>
> NOTHING FORMAL HAS BEEN DISCUSSED with SBWD in regards to using their
> Internet access.
>
> The only made the offer to run the cable to remotely mount an access
> point for us to access the RBHS network if we got it to work.
>
> To recap, there is NO approval to use SBWD bandwidth. The host is
> interest in hearing an offer from us. I have NOT replied with an
> offer
> because we are (were) attempting to get RBHS.
>
> To physically run a line to SBWD we are looking @ 800 foot of
> wire. That
> is why I suggested the wireless bridge idea.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 3/20/2010 9:37 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
> > Let me recap. The use of SBWD's bandwidth has been approved, and
> they
> > will run the cable if we have the cable. Anything else discussed in
> > talks with SBWD management? Like monthly fee?
> >
> > If the run is longer than 300 ft., we will need a repeater (hub) to
> > boost the signal. I assume SBWD has a router on which we can
> configure
> > our own class C network segment. I have an OpenDNS account which
> has
> > several DNS IPs we can use, or we can use SBWD's default DNS.
> >
> > TigerDirect cat5e cable, 500 ft., $50
> >
>
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 20046&CatId=2272
> >
> >
> > Maybe Marc can help us with Ethernet cable.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Chuq Jackels wrote:
> >>
> >> From our conversation with Management they would do all of the
> wire
> >> running required with their forklift and guys.
> >>
> >> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf
> Of *Tom Brown
> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
> >> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: P3/Internet
> >>
> >> Perhaps you, Phil and I can find the P3 gaylords and move them
> close
> >> to the workshop door. If you already know where the P3s are
> located,
> >> that will make the task easier.
> >>
> >> I'll need to speak to SBWD management: Are they are willing to
> let us
> >> use their bandwidth? At what price? And, where to run cable and
> >> connect to their network? I believe SBWD has a scissor lift,
> but they
> >> probably won't let us use it because of liability issues. So we'll
> >> probably need to coordinate a daytime cable install.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
>
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> >>
> >> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf
> Of *john jones
> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2010 16:56
> >> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] P3/Internet
> >>
> >> If its ok with everybody else on Tues id like to set up a table
> for
> >> just p3 and startin weedin through some of them to see whats
> >> workable,ive noticed we have tons of ethernet cable we have
> alot of
> >> long pieces with no ends with some ends and a crimper and some
> >> extenders we have enough to make it to the DHL office,how u ask?we
> >> put the scapel together enough to reach into the rafters and
> neatly
> >> zip-tie it to the exisisting pipeage and route it to its
> >> destination,just an idea......
> >>
> >> --- On *Fri, 3/19/10, john jones /<rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Ubuntu/P3
> >> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 11:28 AM
> >>
> >> Ubunto does work in p3 i have one with ubuntu had it for like 3
> >> months already and it hasnt given me any problem and is just as
> fast
> >> as it was the day i loaded it,its just the ones we get in are
> older
> >> then dirt and tedious and time consumming to fix parts arent a
> >> problem we have tons of power supplys ram/vc/ec/ect for p3 but
> at 8
> >> hours a week its almost virtually impossible to put out any
> production
> >>
> >> --- On *Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Brown /<tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Warehouse Report - Thursday
> 03-11-2010
> >> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:48 AM
> >>
> >> Don't we have P3 systems to refurbish?
> >>
> >> I'm focusing on recruiting volunteers and haven't started a
> marketing
> >> campaign to generate more computer donations. Remember, there is a
> >> substantial lead time before corporations dispose of assets. We've
> >> turned down several large donations of P3 and P4 systems this
> winter
> >> and spring. If we are limited to P4 systems, and we don't get
> enough
> >> P4 donations this summer, we won't have computers for Title 1
> in the
> >> fall. The plan is to have plenty of systems prepared so we hit the
> >> ground running in Title 1 schools this fall. We refused
> donations in
> >> a significant portion of 2009, and we missed the 2009-2010
> academic
> >> year so our stock is apparently low. If Ubuntu doesn't run well
> >> enough on P3s, we are may be in danger of missing another
> academic year.
> >>
> >> btw, we were not invited to participate in the IUSB electronics
> >> collection this year. I'll try to find out what happened. Perhaps
> >> they thought we would contact them first; in the past they
> contacted
> >> us. The IUSB collection event is April 9.
> >>
> >> Goodwill is shipping 34,000 pounds of computer electronics each
> month
> >> to Dell. With that kind of activity, it isn't going to be easy to
> >> start donations flowing to FGM again. Plus, Goodwill is soliciting
> >> businesses which has been our domain.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> Phil Goldbach wrote:
> >> > I've been searching high and low for those power supply testers,
> >> with no luck. I did locate our power supplies but been focusing on
> >> finding the testers. Next time I'm at the warehouse, I'll look
> again
> >> for a bit, but if I can't find them by then, I would suggest
> that FGM
> >> invests in purchasing a few more. They may turn up, though, most
> >> likely at the bottom of a gaylord. Can only get so far by climbing
> >> around and looking through them.
> >> >
> >> > I further suggest that we start going through all the
> gaylords and
> >> preparing for an ADEC pickup. We may find some useful stuff, as I
> >> recently found the plastic jugs that had the audio cables, CMOS
> >> batteries, processors, etc. I do know there are a few more P4s
> out in
> >> the storage area, but other than that, that's about it. We do
> have a
> >> lot of stuff for deman though.
> >> >
> >> > We do have several Freeboxes that need updating. I have to
> ask, how
> >> often are there updates for the distro of Ubuntu we're loading
> onto
> >> the Freeboxes? If they're few and far between, then why not
> download
> >> all of the current ones, and put them onto the warehouse
> server, and
> >> set up a network there to pull the updates from the server as was
> >> suggested for VL 5.9? Then bring in the new updates as
> necessary. I
> >> think that would work better in the long run, especially if we
> have
> >> to rush some out the door instead of loading them at the
> warehouse,
> >> having volunteers take them home, update them, then bring them
> back.
> >> >
> >> > Phil Goldbach
> >> >
> >> > "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
> >> >
> >> > --- On *Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Cook /<mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Mike Cook <mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> > Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Warehouse Report - Thursday 03-11-2010
> >> > To: "frgeek-michiana" <frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> </mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:26 AM
> >> >
> >> > I opened the warehouse at about 6:00PM, Dan and his son had
> >> > arrived earlier.
> >> >
> >> > Volunteers attending: Dan and his son Dale, Phil was there with
> >> > his girlfriend and our newest Board member Carol attended. We
> also
> >> > had a volunteer who said she had been there on Tuesday and needed
> >> > someone to sign her sheet. She stayed only briefly and her name
> >> > escapes me at the moment.
> >> >
> >> > Dale worked on recycling the better part of the night with Dan's
> >> > assistance.
> >> >
> >> > Dan also worked on QA and installation on several freeboxen.
> >> >
> >> > Phil spent quite a lot of time looking for power supplies and our
> >> > PS testers as we have several boxes needing power supplies.
> >> >
> >> > I worked on repairing some of the systems we had set aside with
> >> > problems and I showed Carol how we deban and refurbish a system
> >> > and showed her the basic construction of a PC and the
> >> > identification of the components .
> >> >
> >> > Of the systems I looked at I sent 1 to deman with a bad
> >> > motherboard. I believe the processor may be good. Two additional
> >> > systems required power supplies which we were unable to locate.
> >> > The last system I looked at contained a Nvidia AGP graphics card
> >> > which was incomparable with the open source drivers in Ubuntu. I
> >> > replaced the Nvidia card with an ATI AGP card and was able to get
> >> > Ubuntu up and running.
> >> >
> >> > Dan and I continued to attempt to sort out the QA instruction
> >> > sheet used for final testing. I have still not completed
> revisions
> >> > on the sheet.
> >> >
> >> > Dan also told me that we have been removing the bottom menu bar
> >> > and relocating the top bar to the bottom edge. I'm not sure this
> >> > is a good idea as the pager and window selection buttons are
> >> > located on the bottom bar this makes it harder to switch between
> >> > open applications and desktops. We may want to look at this
> issue.
> >> >
> >> > The warehouse closed at about 9:30PM
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to all!
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
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