Re: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows.

Since this is Soapbox Day on the list server, move over David. My turn.

We are in the design part of the process of installing a lot of new
ZCP270/200 series hardware here on BFN Unit 1, FAT (hopefully) spring
2005.  The target I/A version is 8.0.  During initial discussions with
Foxboro I really pushed for a Sun/Unix AW on this system.  To make a
long story short, 8.0 will not support the 50 series boxes.  So, like it
or not (NOT!), I'm going to be the proud owner of an AW70.  The WP70s I
mind much less, because we don't use the CRTs as our primary operator
interface.  I really think we aren't far from a Windows Only I/A future.


The "I don't like Windows" viewpoint has been expressed at the Users
Groups meetings before, but we should be sure to do it this year also
(Remember the Alamo!). =20

I realize that the preceding mini-diatribe added nothing useful what so
ever to the world, but I feel better.

Gaylon Hicks=20



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Subject: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows.


I have been very quiet on the Foxboro bashing for a very long time.  But
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cannot let some of the recent threads go without weighing in.

There are problems that are inherent to windows, and there are problems=20
that are due to poor implementation, or obsolete third party products.
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have heard Foxboro salespeople try to justify these as problems due to
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frequency of product updates for windows, or the amount of testing
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for each service pack etc. Where was Windows 2000? Not on I/A.  I have
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had a salesman tell me that all these problems would be solved if we
(the=20
people who did not ask for the windows product to begin with) were
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to pay more (remember Windows =3D lower cost of ownership) so that they
(the=20
people selling the product) could do adequate testing to keep products
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licenses up to date. That's crazy.

If Foxboro wants me to make the move to windows (without screaming about

it), they must at least base load a version, like XP, with the current
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tested third party tools.  Security has to be a priority, not an=20
afterthought.  No longer should we accept products that are not up to
date,=20
or even supported on the OS that is being shipped coming from Foxboro.
MKS=20
toolkit was not up to date.  Exceed was not up to date. Installing other

applications (and that's why we are demanding windows right?) can have=20
disastrous DLL and/or registry conflicts.  Some of these issues may be=20
fixed in the newest release, I don't know.  I do know Foxboro,
Wonderware,=20
Rockwell Automation (kind of), Yokogawa and Emerson are all advising=20
against installing XP SP2 until further notice. So it appears that
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is not alone with these issues. Of course, some of these problems occur
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Solaris too, but the operating system releases are less frequent, third=20
party applications are fewer, and virus risks are fewer (but still
there).

If I'm going to commit to a windows based future, The vendors need to=20
commit to a high quality, robust system that has components that have
been=20
tested together.

David Johnson








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