Re: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows.
- From: "Hicks, Gaylon F." <gfhicks@xxxxxxx>
- To: <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:40:07 -0500
Since this is Soapbox Day on the list server, move over David. My turn. We are in the design part of the process of installing a lot of new ZCP270/200 series hardware here on BFN Unit 1, FAT (hopefully) spring 2005. The target I/A version is 8.0. During initial discussions with Foxboro I really pushed for a Sun/Unix AW on this system. To make a long story short, 8.0 will not support the 50 series boxes. So, like it or not (NOT!), I'm going to be the proud owner of an AW70. The WP70s I mind much less, because we don't use the CRTs as our primary operator interface. I really think we aren't far from a Windows Only I/A future. The "I don't like Windows" viewpoint has been expressed at the Users Groups meetings before, but we should be sure to do it this year also (Remember the Alamo!). =20 I realize that the preceding mini-diatribe added nothing useful what so ever to the world, but I feel better. Gaylon Hicks=20 -----Original Message----- From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:17 AM To: Foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows. I have been very quiet on the Foxboro bashing for a very long time. But I=20 cannot let some of the recent threads go without weighing in. There are problems that are inherent to windows, and there are problems=20 that are due to poor implementation, or obsolete third party products. I=20 have heard Foxboro salespeople try to justify these as problems due to the=20 frequency of product updates for windows, or the amount of testing required=20 for each service pack etc. Where was Windows 2000? Not on I/A. I have also=20 had a salesman tell me that all these problems would be solved if we (the=20 people who did not ask for the windows product to begin with) were willing=20 to pay more (remember Windows =3D lower cost of ownership) so that they (the=20 people selling the product) could do adequate testing to keep products and=20 licenses up to date. That's crazy. If Foxboro wants me to make the move to windows (without screaming about it), they must at least base load a version, like XP, with the current and=20 tested third party tools. Security has to be a priority, not an=20 afterthought. No longer should we accept products that are not up to date,=20 or even supported on the OS that is being shipped coming from Foxboro. MKS=20 toolkit was not up to date. Exceed was not up to date. Installing other applications (and that's why we are demanding windows right?) can have=20 disastrous DLL and/or registry conflicts. Some of these issues may be=20 fixed in the newest release, I don't know. I do know Foxboro, Wonderware,=20 Rockwell Automation (kind of), Yokogawa and Emerson are all advising=20 against installing XP SP2 until further notice. So it appears that Foxboro=20 is not alone with these issues. Of course, some of these problems occur on=20 Solaris too, but the operating system releases are less frequent, third=20 party applications are fewer, and virus risks are fewer (but still there). If I'm going to commit to a windows based future, The vendors need to=20 commit to a high quality, robust system that has components that have been=20 tested together. David Johnson "Quote me as saying I was misquoted." Groucho Marx=20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. Read http://www.thecassandraproject.org/disclaimer.html =20 foxboro mailing list: http://www.freelists.org/list/foxboro to subscribe: = mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Djoin to unsubscribe: = mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dleave =20 _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. Read http://www.thecassandraproject.org/disclaimer.html foxboro mailing list: http://www.freelists.org/list/foxboro to subscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=join to unsubscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=leave