Re: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows.
- From: "Hicks, Gaylon F." <gfhicks@xxxxxxx>
- To: <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:40:07 -0500
Since this is Soapbox Day on the list server, move over David. My turn.
We are in the design part of the process of installing a lot of new
ZCP270/200 series hardware here on BFN Unit 1, FAT (hopefully) spring
2005. The target I/A version is 8.0. During initial discussions with
Foxboro I really pushed for a Sun/Unix AW on this system. To make a
long story short, 8.0 will not support the 50 series boxes. So, like it
or not (NOT!), I'm going to be the proud owner of an AW70. The WP70s I
mind much less, because we don't use the CRTs as our primary operator
interface. I really think we aren't far from a Windows Only I/A future.
The "I don't like Windows" viewpoint has been expressed at the Users
Groups meetings before, but we should be sure to do it this year also
(Remember the Alamo!). =20
I realize that the preceding mini-diatribe added nothing useful what so
ever to the world, but I feel better.
Gaylon Hicks=20
-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:17 AM
To: Foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [foxboro] 3rd Party products on windows.
I have been very quiet on the Foxboro bashing for a very long time. But
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cannot let some of the recent threads go without weighing in.
There are problems that are inherent to windows, and there are problems=20
that are due to poor implementation, or obsolete third party products.
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have heard Foxboro salespeople try to justify these as problems due to
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frequency of product updates for windows, or the amount of testing
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for each service pack etc. Where was Windows 2000? Not on I/A. I have
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had a salesman tell me that all these problems would be solved if we
(the=20
people who did not ask for the windows product to begin with) were
willing=20
to pay more (remember Windows =3D lower cost of ownership) so that they
(the=20
people selling the product) could do adequate testing to keep products
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licenses up to date. That's crazy.
If Foxboro wants me to make the move to windows (without screaming about
it), they must at least base load a version, like XP, with the current
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tested third party tools. Security has to be a priority, not an=20
afterthought. No longer should we accept products that are not up to
date,=20
or even supported on the OS that is being shipped coming from Foxboro.
MKS=20
toolkit was not up to date. Exceed was not up to date. Installing other
applications (and that's why we are demanding windows right?) can have=20
disastrous DLL and/or registry conflicts. Some of these issues may be=20
fixed in the newest release, I don't know. I do know Foxboro,
Wonderware,=20
Rockwell Automation (kind of), Yokogawa and Emerson are all advising=20
against installing XP SP2 until further notice. So it appears that
Foxboro=20
is not alone with these issues. Of course, some of these problems occur
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Solaris too, but the operating system releases are less frequent, third=20
party applications are fewer, and virus risks are fewer (but still
there).
If I'm going to commit to a windows based future, The vendors need to=20
commit to a high quality, robust system that has components that have
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tested together.
David Johnson
"Quote me as saying I was misquoted."
Groucho Marx=20
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