[etni] Re: NBA booklet and some question
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- Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:43:50 +0200
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Let's see if I have understood your question. You write that the pupil wants to
take modules B-E. That means that the pupil will do the oral exam for the
three point grade. If he then wants to continue to the four point exam he
needs to take the oral test for the four point level. If he fails the four
point test, he still has the grade for the three point test, both oral and
written.
Hope this answers your questions.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: D.Rosenfeld
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:25 AM
Subject: [etni] Re: NBA booklet and some question
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The questions and answers below have been very helpful. Still one thing is not
completely clear.
A student who takes module A this year and goes on the following year to do
modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should
he fail the four-point test and takes the 4pt oral test - what happens if
he fails the 4pt test?
Will his oral still count or will he have to retake it?
At 18:39 08/11/2003 +0200, you wrote:
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>Dear Rivka,
>
>Sorry for not answering you sooner.
>My answers are below in capital letters.
>
>Judy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rivka Lewenstein
>To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 PM
>Subject: [etni] NBA booklet and some question
>
>
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>To Judy and everyone else who I'm sure put many, many hours into the NBA
>booklet,
>
>Kudos on a job well-done. The booklet is clear and concise, yet includes
>basically all the information that we need to know. (I say basically because
>teachers HAVE come up with various questions, and I have a few of my own as
>well.) It was a real pleasure for me to read it. Now I feel that I really
>have everything I need to know about the Bagrut at my fingertips, as
>compared to the past when I had to look up old chozrei mancalim, call up
>inspectors and others "in the know", or post my question on Etni. This
>booklet will definitely make life a lot easier for us English teachers.
>
>I was also happy to see the order form for the booklet available on the Etni
>site, since this is one booklet I feel every English teacher MUST have a
>copy of, at least until the new Bagrut has been assimilated by all.
>
>Now, for a few questions and comments:
>
>1) Will we be getting more sample exams over the course of the year? I am
>planning to have my 11th graders take modules A, B and C (some only A) this
>year, and feel that as good as the sample exams are, they're not enough to
>work with. I would like more sample exams for practice and to give as
>Matkonot. Is there any chance of this happening?
>
>NO ADDITIONAL SAMPLE EXAMS WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE MINISTRY. HOWEVER
>TEACHERS CAN ADAPT PREVIOUS BAGRUT EXAMS NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE SAMPLE ONES.
>
>2) Regarding the extensive reading program, the booklet says that 1-point
>students need 2 book reports, and that 3-point students need 2 book reports.
>Does this mean that 3-point students need 2 book reports when doing module A
>+ another 2 when doing modules B and C, or do they need only 2 in all? (The
>reason I ask is because at the bottom of the same page, regarding the
>literature program, it is made very clear what the difference is between
>3-point students who have already done module A and 3-point students who
>haven't done module A.)
>
>THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. THE ANSWER IS THAT IF STUDENTS
>START WITH MODULE A THEY READ TWO BOOKS. IF THEY MOVE UP TO MODULES B AND
>C, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO READ AN ADDITIONAL TWO BOOKS. (All in all 4
>books).
>
>3) Bari already asked this, but in a slightly different fashion: Let's say
>that I have students doing only module A this year, and next year they do
>modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should
>they fail the four-point test. Do they have to be tested twice orally in the
>same year? After all, the oral test for 3 points is different from the
>4-point oral test. If they take only the 4-point test, what would they do if
>they failed the 4-point test?
>
>IF PUPILS TAKE THE THREE POINT EXAM (A, B AND c) AND THEN WANT TO TRY THE
>FOUR POINT EXAM (D AND E), THEN YES, THEY DO NEED TO TAKE THE ORAL AGAIN
>BECAUSE THE RATING SCALES ARE DIFFERENT.
>
>Thanks and all the best,
>Rivka
>
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rivka Lewenstein
>To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 PM
>Subject: [etni] NBA booklet and some question
>
>
>**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org ****
>
>To Judy and everyone else who I'm sure put many, many hours into the NBA
>booklet,
>
>Kudos on a job well-done. The booklet is clear and concise, yet includes
>basically all the information that we need to know. (I say basically because
>teachers HAVE come up with various questions, and I have a few of my own as
>well.) It was a real pleasure for me to read it. Now I feel that I really
>have everything I need to know about the Bagrut at my fingertips, as
>compared to the past when I had to look up old chozrei mancalim, call up
>inspectors and others "in the know", or post my question on Etni. This
>booklet will definitely make life a lot easier for us English teachers.
>
>I was also happy to see the order form for the booklet available on the Etni
>site, since this is one booklet I feel every English teacher MUST have a
>copy of, at least until the new Bagrut has been assimilated by all.
>
>Now, for a few questions and comments:
>
>1) Will we be getting more sample exams over the course of the year? I am
>planning to have my 11th graders take modules A, B and C (some only A) this
>year, and feel that as good as the sample exams are, they're not enough to
>work with. I would like more sample exams for practice and to give as
>Matkonot. Is there any chance of this happening?
>
>2) Regarding the extensive reading program, the booklet says that 1-point
>students need 2 book reports, and that 3-point students need 2 book reports.
>Does this mean that 3-point students need 2 book reports when doing module A
>+ another 2 when doing modules B and C, or do they need only 2 in all? (The
>reason I ask is because at the bottom of the same page, regarding the
>literature program, it is made very clear what the difference is between
>3-point students who have already done module A and 3-point students who
>haven't done module A.)
>
>3) Bari already asked this, but in a slightly different fashion: Let's say
>that I have students doing only module A this year, and next year they do
>modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should
>they fail the four-point test. Do they have to be tested twice orally in the
>same year? After all, the oral test for 3 points is different from the
>4-point oral test. If they take only the 4-point test, what would they do if
>they failed the 4-point test?
>
>Thanks and all the best,
>Rivka
>
>
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