[duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:30:42 -0400

George,

You are right, but there remain two difficulties:

1. Not all files that DBT can import have a standard extension.
2. I don't know all of the standard extensions for those files that DBT can
import.

The first difficulty can indeed be overlooked, as long as "All Files"
remains an option.
The second difficulty is why I'm still open to further contribution.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:13 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types

I can't see how one can do more than simply make "Importable Files"
cover files types which are known to DBT.

For everything else, there is "All Files (*.*)"

George.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: 14 June 2004 15:52
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> 
> Except that we still don't have the magic list finalized.  
> Again, I'm working on other tasks; so I'll likely ignore messages on 
> this thread with lists of extensions.  But I'll be back to "harvest" 
> them later.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:52 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> 
> PERFECT!  Problem solved! 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: 14 June 2004 15:49
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > 
> > George,
> > 
> > I'm not joking at all.  This, I believe, is exactly what
> Ian suggested
> > to start the thread.  Only his list is even more extensive.
> > 
> > The good news is that there wouldn't be any need to show the 
> > extensions as part of the user interface.  The description
> "Importable
> > Files" would be enough.
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:31 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > 
> > Peter,
> > 
> > You are joking of course - aren't you? 
> > 
> > George.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > > Sent: 11 June 2004 18:39
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > > 
> > > George,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the concrete suggestion.  Should there also be
> > an "DBT and
> > > Importable Files (*.dxb; *.dxp; *.brf; *.bff; *.doc; *.wp; *.wpd; 
> > > *.wp5; *.wp6; *.txt; *.---)" setting?  I believe that this
> > is more in
> > > line with what Ian was originally suggesting.
> > > 
> > > - Peter
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:04 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > > 
> > > How about......?
> > > 
> > > DBT braille files (*.dxb; *.brf; *.bff) DBT print files
> > (*.dxp) Word
> > > Documents (*.doc) WordPerfect Files (*.wp; *.wpd; *.wp5;
> > *.wp6) Text
> > > Files
> > > (*.txt) My files
> > > (*.---)  Where --- comes from a user defined list All Files (*.*)
> > > 
> > > George.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Peter Sullivan
> > > > Sent: 11 June 2004 16:58
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > > > 
> > > > Jan & Lissa,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm glad to see some of the trancriber community weighing
> > > in on this
> > > > one.
> > > > 
> > > > Lissa isn't the only one that uses non-standard extensions.  
> > > > They are in common use in France to distinguish between
> > > braille files
> > > > encoded as North American ASCII equivalents (.brf files)
> > > and braille
> > > > files encoded with a French system (.bff files, as I recall).
> > > > 
> > > > Lissa and I had come to an agreement some time ago that her 
> > > > non-standard extensions could be part of the "DBT can open
> > > these" list
> > > > of extensions, assuming that she doesn't mind NBP trade-secret 
> > > > extension lists becoming public knowledge.
> > > > 
> > > > Or what we might aim to do is to allow a local option to
> > define the
> > > > extension list in an external file.  This, in combination with 
> > > > George's suggestion to make the "Show files of type" list
> > > stick to its
> > > > last-selected value, could make everybody happy.
> > > > 
> > > > But I'd still need to know what is the most agreeable
> > > general list of
> > > > "File extensions that DBT can open".  Perhaps I should
> take first
> > > > crack at definining it.  (It's just a bit busy today.)
> > > > 
> > > > - Peter
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JAN CARROLL
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:44 AM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > > > 
> > > > Why would you want to use nonstandard file extensions.  That 
> > > > is scarey.   I
> > > > also want the file extensions to be associated with its
> > > program that
> > > > created it.
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure if I am understanding this thread of extensions
> > > but I want to
> > > > see DXP in print,  DXB in braille and I want to be able to
> > > choose in a
> > > > drop box
> > > > All Files if i want.   I believe 10.4 is already doing this. 
> > > > 
> > > > >>> lissa@xxxxxxx 6/11/2004 11:17:30 AM >>>
> > > > No! Some of us use non-standard extensions and would hate
> > > to see them
> > > > disappear from the File Open list.
> > > > 
> > > > Lissa
> > > > 
> > > > Peter Sullivan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > >The point I'm trying to get across on this thread is that
> > > it's very
> > > > >easy to fix, but hard to define.
> > > > >
> > > > >At the same time, remembering the "last file extension" 
> > filter, as
> > > > >George suggested, would mitigate the need to be
> exacting in the
> > > > >definition, because users for whom the definition is overly
> > > > restrictive
> > > > could select "all files"
> > > > >and rest assured that it would stay that way.
> > > > >
> > > > >- Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > >[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jack Maartman
> > > > >Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:12 AM
> > > > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: File Open, file types
> > > > >
> > > > >Definitely.  Is this the same kind of behaviour we see in
> > > > giants, like
> > > > >MSWord or WordPerfect.  Would this be easy to fix, without
> > > rewriting
> > > > >the entire source code.
> > > > >
> > > > >Regars to all
> > > > >
> > > > >Jack
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Ian Robinson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >To: "List DBTBeta" <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:54 AM
> > > > >Subject: [duxhelp] File Open, file types
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The File Open dialogue currently shows all files.  Does
> > > anyone else
> > > > >>agree that it would be better if it only showed those file
> > > > types that
> > > > >>can be opened by DBT?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>In the event that a user does try to open, for example, a
> > > > .xls file,
> > > > >>no error message is displayed.  The file just fails to open.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Cheers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Ian
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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